Unlike James A. Donalds unrealistic extremism, Jordan Peterson knows how to have dialogue with a much larger swath of society on this subject matter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54I dont however agree with him that women will necessary excel for example in medicine if ever its no longer a state subsidized and regulated non-free market (and I do agree with him that in any case such discrepancies arent because of IQ differences except perhaps on the extreme outliers of theoretical science). I think JAD is actually closer to correct on the natural roles of women in a free market. However, we must assess that collectivism is a feature of civilization so again JADs insight may be an unrealistic extremism, i.e. socialism and collectivism may be a permanent feature of civilization yet Im not sure.
One possible perspective is that Jordan Peterson is more attuned to where we are now at the current juncture of civilization (which makes sense given he is data driven as a clinical psychologist) and JAD is more attuned to where we might be heading with a collapse of socialism and collectivism along with the
collapse of the industrial age and fixed capital investment which require socialism and collectivism.
Also, this Anonymint theory that western women open the door to muslim invasion because women inherently want to be "raped and conquered" is way off. Just like Einstein and Hitler both summarized: "like anything else, nature is the best teacher". Animals like female whales will send out a call to male whales. When several males show up, the female runs away and tries to get the males to fight over her to the death and waits to see what survives in the aftermath.
That is exactly what human females do. They try to force males to compete over them (preferably to the death to make the selection process easiest for the female). Women are inherently genetic filters that try to get men killed on purpose to weed out bad genes. The so called motherly traits really only extend to their offspring or some type of imaginary offspring in their head like a cat or small dog. Men are disposable cannon fodder to them.
@r0ach should correctly attribute his criticism to the source, which is JADs theory.
@r0ach is attempting to make a distinction here between the implied desire that women want to be impregnated (forcefully via rape) by the most competitive and warrior genetics, and his theory that women want to incentivize men to compete for them. Sorry but I fail to see any generative essence distinction between the two concepts.
I guess he is thinking that although women instinctively want the most competitive genetics for their offspring, that they dont want to be forcefully abducted or impregnated and would prefer more control over the situation that follows the competition of the males. And that theyd like the competition to take place within some orderly social structure that empowers them to retain control over such matters of engagement. Yeah females may have all sorts of fantasies, but the reality is that if they want males to compete to the death then in fact they abrogate such orderly control. So what they actually want is to be raped and conquered, because surely they cant defend themselves against the victorious warriors. Duh. IOW, women want the social structure to give them every fantasy they can imagine, which of course is an outcome of total collapse and disorder (which btw is why we need females because the Second Law of Thermo requires that the trend to maximum disorder is inexorable). The instincts and feminine traits of women render them (collectively) entirely incapable of planning and logic that would sustain social order.
Even if you're dumb enough to play the woman's game and survive as the victor, they always believe their life is more important than the male, that the male is a disposable stepping stone, and are gone the second the male ceases to provide them with enormously asymmetric benefit (if they can find a better option or if divorce gives them some type of reward).
Correct w.r.t. to their hypergamy instincts. But perhaps this can be ameliorated somewhat by their upbringing and social pressure.