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Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering]
by
zeroblock
on 13/08/2013, 16:15:39 UTC
Let me just go ahead and rip this ridiculous excuse for an answer. 

Here are some new IRC quotes for you, reordered for readability:
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13:43 < sturles> SEPA has been delayed for as long as I can remember.  I wish
                 MtGox had more SEPA banks, but they generally don't like
                 Bitcoin buisnesses.  Perhaps the one in Slovenia which
                 Bitstamp is using could be worth a try?  Could be troubled
                 with the same issue, of course.
13:48 <@MagicalTux> sturles, we already applied to that one
13:53 < sturles> MagicalTux: Great!  Lower SEPA delays would do wonders!  In
                 fact all good news regarding delays would be wonderful at this
                 time..
13:54 <@MagicalTux> sturles, we've been reducing SEPA delay day by day
13:54 <@MagicalTux> things are much better than one month ago
13:54 < sturles> Have your limits increased?
13:54 <@MagicalTux> nope
This is great news!
That is not great news, sounds like the Slovenia bank rejected their application.  Also, their limits have not increased.  This is bad news.


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13:50 < samson_> MagicalTux: Would you say we're facing a banking embargo on
                 the entire Bitcoin business ?
13:51 <@MagicalTux> samson_, things are not easy, but it's far from what you
                    could qualify as "embargo"
13:51 < samson_> ok thanks
Difficulties (we know that from many countries, e.g. UK), but no organized embargo.
I don't think he is going to go "yep, no bank wants to do business with us" (for some lolz, please refer to previous answer in section above).  He skirts around the question by directly referring to "embargo" rather than the difficulties they are facing, which he has confirmed prior<@MagicalTux> cyro432: not much we can do right now because of US govt"


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13:58 < sturles> Btw, there are roumous now that USD withdrawals are somehow
                 blocked entirely.  Is there any truth to that?  Some people
                 intepret this as "US government are blocking all USD
                 withdrawals": <@MagicalTux> cyro432: not much we can do right
                 now because of US govt
13:59 <@MagicalTux> sturles, "blocked" is not the correct word
14:00 < sturles> What is the exact problem then?  You can see here how the
                 speculations go:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.msg2918767#msg2918767
14:01 <@MagicalTux> sturles, we are not allowed to talk about the exact problem
                    (doing so would only make things worse)
That's no explanation of the problem, but explains the lack of news.  For other currencies:
I don't see how this answer doesn't scare the hell out of you.  And you brush it off like its an acceptable reply.  "Not allowed to talk about the exact problem" that is by far the worst excuse for lack of transparency.   


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13:58 < SleepersTide> MagicalTux: Are Australian bank transfer withdrawals
                      being processed normally?
13:58 < SleepersTide> (also how long do those take?)
14:00 <@MagicalTux> SleepersTide, right now all SWIFT transfers are processed
                    up to the limits of our current bank (up to 10 transfers
                    per day - we should be able to increase that as soon as we
                    have more banking partners ready - it's taking longer than
                    expected because of the time required by the people at the
                    bank to understand our business)
14:10 < sturles> MagicalTux: Why only 10 SWIFT transfers per day?  Is that
                 commonplace for customers in your bank?
14:12 <@MagicalTux> sturles, most companies in Japan will do one, maybe two
                    SWIFT transfers a month to providers overseas (actually
                    most will do zero)14:14 < Delerium> when you say transfers per day you mean 10 swift runs
                  (containing LOADS of transfers within) or literally just 10
                  transfers
14:16 <@MagicalTux> Delerium, literal
14:17 <@MagicalTux> when we were in the second largest bank in Japan, we
                    represented more than half of all the volume of SWIFT
                    processed by that bank (almost overloading their systems a
                    couple of times)
With only 10 withdrawals per day in all other currencies than JPY and EUR, it is going to take time.  And he confirms again that MtGox are in fact overloading their bank.  The discussion is still going on, btw.  About ordering and more about transparency:
"Its taking longer than expected... [for] the people at the bank to understand our business."  I just don't know what to say at this point. I mean to expect me to believe that it takes 2-3 months for very intelligent individuals at a bank to understand how Bitcoin works is difficult.  And that they overloaded the second largest bank in Japan is extremely hard to believe. 

 
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14:17 < rfish> MagicalTux:  I think you owe it to customers to make the numbers
               of swift transfers you are doing per day more public and explain
               the reasons
14:18 <@MagicalTux> rfish, rather than spending time on this, fixing it is
                    likely going to bring more on the long term
14:18 < rfish> MagicalTux: And you should be fair about which you do, like
               wires greater than X amount, in the order they are received
14:19 <@MagicalTux> those wires are processed in received order, nothing else

"<@MagicalTux> rather than spending time on this, fixing it is likely going to bring more on the long term"

Ok, well in the 30 seconds you spend reviewing your press releases, maybe you should insert some truth somewhere. This is a different statement than before "<@MagicalTux> Not allowed to talk about the exact problem" instead he shifts the blame to being "too busy."

"<@MagicalTux> those wires are processed in received order, nothing else"

This is in direct contradiction to what MagicalTux posted a few weeks ago where he said that "5 digit or more" wires were taking priority.  I'm done. No further explanation necessary.  Let everyone decide for themselves whether or not they believe any word that comes out of Gox's mouth.   

July 24, 2013:
[14:45] <@MagicalTux> right now we're giving priority to larger transfers
[14:45] please define "larger"
[14:46] <@MagicalTux> 5 digits or more

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179586.340

For some more hilarious content please see the rest of the conversation:

[14:51] <@MagicalTux> [22:49:57] and only wire transfers are working for US people right MagicalTux? <- at this point, yes. We are working on US domestic solutions however
[14:52] okay cool thanks MagicalTux
[14:52] so wires to the rest of the world are just on hold until further notice?
[14:53] the wires to the rest of the world never got stopped afaik
[14:54] <@MagicalTux> it's not on hold, just processing slowly
[14:54] nutcase: that was the communication in the press release, but gox support are using the USD hiatus as the reason why my wires are pending with no ETA
[14:54] <@MagicalTux> we're working with our banking partners to increase the throughput of outgoing wires
[15:00] MagicalTux: I apprecaite your input but I hope you can understand the concerns we/I have. So many reports of outgoing wires (bitcointalk.org) not being transfered in any logical order and everyone is being strung along by support
[15:01] MagicalTux = BEST
[15:01] MtGox = BEST!

And EPiSKiNG is the only one who posted a USD withdraw for the bounty... hmm.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251895.160