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They wont answer this because they are delusional, have no other recourse but to wait or they are simply to proud to admit they backed a lame horse.

I tend to equate it more with the typical issue of such and such doesn't bother me so it shouldn't bother anybody else.
I've never said anybody else should get refunds or be pissed at TH or be mad or anything. I've not once said that anyone should share my opinion; only recognize that those of us who choose to use the relevant laws and regulations for their intended purpose aren't doing anything wrong.
It's a little off-putting to have the other side keep insisting that those of us who recognize and acknowledge that the situation isn't TH' fault but that doesn't change the fact that we aren't willing to sit back and lose our money are doing something wrong, or are assholes, or whatever.

It's also a bit mind boggling the apparent attitude people have that 'we took the risk' and don't seem to think that any risk should be borne by TH- yes we took a risk. We took a risk that merchandise would be delivered late or not at all, but that risk was tempered (for those of us in the US) by consumer protection laws that say we are entitled to 100% of our money back if we don't get our merchandise. TH is looking to profit as a business; that means taking the risk that your supplier doesn't deliver, your project fails, whatever and you have to return everyone's money.

Why do they seem to think that TH should get a pass and be able to make a profit while bearing no risk, putting 100% of the risk on the customers? I honestly can't wrap my head around it.
The only thing I can come up with is it's like the whole Apple/Android thing - some people are rabid about defending their chosen camp

TH did take a risk. They allowed us to buy with PayPal. They haven't broken their promise of deliveries 2 weeks from the date the Avalon chips arrive. August 15 has come and gone but of no fault of TH. The bad guys here you all that are pulling out.

Rule #1 of bitcoin, don't in money you aren't willing to lose

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TerraHash took almost no risk, they gambled with the communities money, not their own. How much have they actually risked of their own funds? Did they take a small business loan? Just to clarify, there is a huge difference between investors and customers.

The original assertion was that TH put 100% of the risk on the customer which is not true. How much risk they took isn't relevant. We all knew there was a possibility that this could happen.

Without a doubt the amount of risk that they took v.s. the community is very relevant and strikes at the heart of the debate, Amir and Justin saw an opportunity to make money with very little risk, They have raised (probably) 100's of thousands of dollars in USD and BTC and have literally done almost nothing for it.

They only thing they have showed anybody is a few boxes of "stuff", a picture of one case, a prototype board that has a ton of Hardware errors and empty and now broken promises.

Somebody a few pages back was practically begging TerraHash for more information with a $15,000 order and Amir nor Justin have done anything to appease even the largest of order holders.

http://www.coindesk.com/terrahash-opens-asic-mining-preorders-loses-business/

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Khan said that the loss of the Cloudhashing order was not a big deal, arguing that it had little effect on the manufacturer.

The level of Arrogance is astounding, they don't care about you, this company if you can call it that is borderline criminal.

Sadly it's people like you that deserve to lose money. You twist words for your own benefit, fail to use logic in any scenario, and are like a broken record.

Grow the fuck up kid,

Get back to the reality of the situation, Terrahash has been total shit on their support tickets but as far as the product is concerned have not dropped the ball at all.

If you put money down in a casino and then think you might lose when you are dealt your hand, you don't grab your money and walk away. Grow some balls.

Their are a few people here that understand this and while they might not say it as blunt as me you can be damn sure they agree.

I deserve to lose money because why?
Which words have I twisted?
What product are you talking about? The one that as of yet does not exist, but when it does will most certainly lose "customers" money?
Amir and Justin have dropped the ball in every single way possible, not sure where your delusional mind makes it so that they have done outstanding things, or even ordinary things or anything at all for that matter!
Most people are disagreeing with you, you seem to be implying that there is this vast silent magority that are behind you. Well lets see them?