Hi, I'm not defending or defaming any particular site, regardless of what they begin or end with, but @kingsportzrulz your statistics, even for the so called large bets are within variance.

The site you mention in particular has all the elements of being provably fair.

The article you mention makes no direct attack on any casino, just a lot of hypothesis that goes against every major bitcoin casino, and against their self-interest. Bitzino in particular, since it was the one specifically mentioned, can't afford to do any of the proposed cheats. Their volume of BTC and players is too low to risk it.

If you find a statistical anomaly, you had better best exploit it (even though that's not fair, for them.)

In fact, if there is one site where it can even be attempted, that would be on the seemingly fairest and justest of the dice sites. With 50,000 BTC invested and a current max profit over 500 BTC.

The site clearly states its terms of being provably fair, with sample code, and with third party scripts. What the article mentions are changing the codes on the fly, using bet discrimination and using html partials and javascript alterations.

The ones that can do cheat, are the ones that aren't even provably fair at all, such as the majority of internet online poker sites. I'll specifically mention the top 3, PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Party Poker. Between the 3 of them, they have maybe half a million players. That's 500,000 people online, all playing poker, all betting from $1 to $500 per call or raise, depending on the stakes.

If there are sites that can get away with it, those certainly can. First, their games are not provably fair. Just certified by some offshore government or gambling commission. It's almost as if they are saying "Look, we'll record the game on video to prove it is fair." And of course, we all know what's wrong with that statement.

Out of the 500,000 people playing, they only need to cheat 1% or even less. Maybe just 1000 people. Disconnect them all, consider them all-in, then grab the pot.

So I dunno. That article, while being a wake up call, stirs a lot of debate. You, as the player, of all sites you visit, have to be responsible enough to at least verify and understand the probabilities and the consequences of gambling. You have to understand that you can easily lose 50% 20 times in a row. You have to understand that you can lose 111 times in a row on 10%. You have to understand that you can lose 8 times in a row on 90%.

Because I've personally seen it all happen. And I personally verified each and every bet as fair. And it does not matter what the amount of the bet is, because the systems all of these bitcoin dice sites implement does not account for the size of the bet.

See, if the site offers the following:

1. A server seed or secret that you are either shown, or have the hash for, shown first.
2. A client or player seed which you can change after the first step above.
3. The formula to actually compute the result of the roll after the fact.
4. With or without a nonce or salt or some other random or incrementing value.

I don't see how any one can righteously claim that it was ever unfair.

All other traditional casinos and live dealers and all current poker sites (including bitcoin based ones) are not provably fair at all.

It's a good thing that SD and Bitzino and all the blockchain based games, and all the ones that attempt some sort of Provably Fair system even have those to begin with.

It is your responsibility to take advantage of the fairness offered. If that is difficult because of the particular site, that's only a logistical or convenience problem. You can take it against the site, but you can't accuse them of being unfair when they give you the chance and the tools to make it so.

Which is why, I am afraid, if I come up with my own casino, such as the popular card games, BlackJack, and even Poker, that no matter how many hashes and nonces and secrets I use and reveal, someone somewhere somehow will still accuse me of being unfair.

Online play has allowed people to bet a million times more than in any brick and mortar casino, that's why we see all these "weird" numbers pop up. Just bet a billion times on 98% chance to win and you will almost surely see 5 or 6 losses in a row. It can happen within the first 100 rolls.

While I'm at it, I just lost 6 times in a row on 87.7779% about 4 or 5 weeks ago. I'm going to bet a bunch my next roll, which is still waiting, is going to win. (I have another thread for that.) If I win, I will withdraw my prize. If I lose, then I don't. Both are fair. (This is gambler's fallacy now speaking; hehehe.)