I think Waldo's right about stating he can not do anything about it right now. Not a 1% chance they would give refunds in 2013. What I do not understand, and think Waldo's wrong is not clarifying about the return amount in BTC in 2014 if they do not deliver.

I don't know where Waldo get's his confidence they'll return full BTC amount, when it is well known they've officially changed TOS. I'm convinced this is a mistake and may cost us greatly if we make an ill-informed decision to ask for refund in a month based on this wrong presumption.

What I do think is a need for group organizer to clarify this issue personally with someone of authority at HF. Waldo needs to get just one piece of information: Tell HF we've bought 7 batch#1 BabyJets + 7 upgrade kits for XYZ BTC. Ask how many BTC will we get back in total in case we ask for a refund, is it XYZ BTC or few percents of that sum?

If we are offered just percentage BTC back in refund, than it's foolish to ask for a refund without forming the lawyer fund and suing HF, and I'm against of optimistically asking for a refund and getting slammed by a hammer when we see the amount HF sent back.