Obviously I wont divulge figures but Im good at analysis thats my forte. I totally understand about contributing to the community but before I can do so I must become a part of it which is what Im trying.  Im not sure I understand the concept of flipping real estate but will read up on that.  If I can invest xbtc and make 2xbtc in y time then have I not doubled my holdings in btc regardless of fiat valuation?  It goes without saying your advice suggests such a return is unachievable right now.  Its starting to look as though Ive missed the boat and perhaps I should just stick buying and holding btc which Im more than happy to do just had a dream that I could buy shares and watch their value soar.