Ok so you or anyone else that invested in this don't know anything for sure. Only pure speculation.
I have stated it was speculation and I'm glad that you have stated your views are pure speculation even though you come on here blatantly saying it's a scam without any proof to back it up. To each their own I guess.
The chips may or may not be available in late January. By that logic they may also be available in January 2015. Nobody knows!
Actually anyone familiar with the IC process and the timelines that are industry standards understands that your logic is incredibly flawed. Small (1-4 week delays) are standard in this industry. Month/Year long delays are not.
Also the fact that there isn't much information seems really strange for me and they aren't the only company that offer refunds. BFL offered refunds too on Paypal (yes a bit forced, but still they were offering refunds).
How do you come up with this stuff in your head? A forced refund IS NOT a normal refund. AMC is offering actual refunds to it's customers. You can try and twist that any way you want but again you are making yourself look bad by even comparing calling up PayPal as a last resort and demanding a refund versus calling the company and them giving it to you without a hassle.
Also please tell me what proof do you have besides a press release from eASIC? Is there anything else to show the progress that they made or at least a specific date for the chips? Because i never saw a statement from eASIC saying that chips will be available on a specific date.
Are you asking for pictures of the inside of a Fab while they are making the mask? Are you asking for the files of the specific chip they sent to the Fab to make that mask? Are you asking for pictures of the chips while they are being made at the Fab? Jesus Christ, just like any other ASIC company out there you will NOT get a picture of the chips til they are in the hands of the manufacturer of the ASIC. No one is going to get access to a fab to get these pictures or release their IP to the public.
As far as a specific date for the chips, we had an initial timeline long ago. That timeline was never updated but based on information we gather from updates such as these:
Weekly Update 12/18/13
Crypto-Trade:
I have all of the legal issues worked out, and I am programming them into the verification site.
VMC:
We are working with eASIC and our engineers to get our chip and boards in full production.
We have stock piled all the hardware to build the miners and we are per-assembling the miners.
The new timeline that is speculated is this:
I've brought this timeline over from the
other thread as I think it may be useful to keep a copy here.
The dates in
bold are confirmed by announcements, while the others are projected from estimated timelines in the prospectus.
- 26th July [source] - Ken estimates two weeks for NRE to be paid (during visit to eASIC)
- 3rd August [source] - Ken returns from his trip to eASIC and the Engineering firm
- 4th August [source] - Ken posts to say he is busy working on eASIC deal
- (sometime before August 28th) [used for guesstimates below] - NRE Funds paid
- 28th August [source] - Ken confirms NRE funds were converted 'some time ago'
- 4th September [source] - eASIC issue press release
- 12th September [source] - Avalon refund confirmed as having been received
- 1st November [original guesstimate] - Chip samples delivered in 9 weeks;
- 30th October [source] - Ken announces gradual hashrate increase including 'other resources' [source]
- 25th November [original guesstimate] - Low-volume chip production starting in 12 weeks, using an e-beam process;
- 30th November [source] - Ken announces delays due to further R&D and unveils Intellihash(tm) technology
- 12th December [source] - Weekly announcement states "we are continuing to bring in all the parts for mass production of our miners"
- 18th December [source] - Weekly announcement states "working with eASIC and our engineers to get our chip and boards in full production"
- 24th December - 9th January [original guesstimate] - Normal volume chip production starting in 16-18 weeks.
* Note: As of
30th November, probable delays have been introduced into the timeline.
(I will be trying to keep this updated as more facts are revealed. In an effort to keep this thread tidy, please PM me with any suggestions.)
We're all waiting to see chips, I never hid that fact, but coming on here uninformed such as you are and plastering bullshit responses such as 2015, BFL gave refunds, etc.. is simply unacceptable.