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I agree that there should be no expectation of (direct monetary) payment for voting for people.
With the influx of the newer users over the last few years, there seems to be a gap in especially fundamental understanding of block chain projects.
Arguably, the proposed method dpos provides of bribing new users to get involved in literally the least involved way by voting has very few beneficial aspects. It reeks of entitlement and unfortunately the reality of staying relevant these days more often than not typically employs this methodology.
While I think it's helpful for crypto projects where the typical development involves only merging the most recent upstream developments from the project it was likely forked from in some way or another, with projects that have become as focused as Shift this often becomes a crutch for a busted leg that's long since healed.
Fortunately in Shifts case, much of the actual programming work needed to satiate the entitled poor was already in place so all it's taken to keep them quiet was to put the spoon back in when it fell out, and just unvote the heathen not paying them, change names then vote them back in. Point is is that this hasn't been much of a draw on the scarce Shift development resources available due to someone else aready did the work, so instead they could mostly focus on putting out something at least mildly interesting.
Whether it remains with Shift or goes into something else is beyond my ability to accurately predict for the moment. I'm currently guessing it will be staying here, after watching for the last year or so.
Specifically, I mention this because they have been mentioning for a while now a new core that hasn't been explicitly mentioned as not being lisk, but this also hasn't been said that it won't be either.
I agree that there should be no expectation of (direct monetary) payment for voting for people.
With the influx of the newer users over the last few years, there seems to be a gap in especially fundamental understanding of block chain projects.
Arguably, the proposed method dpos provides of bribing new users to get involved in literally the least involved way by voting has very few beneficial aspects. It reeks of entitlement and unfortunately the reality of staying relevant these days more often than not typically employs this methodology.
While I think it's helpful for crypto projects where the typical development involves only merging the most recent upstream developments from the project it was likely forked from in some way or another, with projects that have become as focused as Shift this often becomes a crutch for a busted leg that's long since healed.
Fortunately in Shifts case, much of the actual programming work needed to satiate the entitled poor was already in place so all it's taken to keep them quiet was to put the spoon back in when it fell out, and just unvote the heathen not paying them, change names then vote them back in. Point is is that this hasn't been much of a draw on the scarce Shift development resources available due to someone else aready did the work, so instead they could mostly focus on putting out something at least mildly interesting.
Whether it remains with Shift or goes into something else is beyond my ability to accurately predict for the moment. I'm currently guessing it will be staying here, after watching for the last year or so.
Specifically, I mention this because they have been mentioning for a while now a new core that hasn't been explicitly mentioned as not being lisk, but this also hasn't been said that it won't be either.
Heh, I like how you write
Yes, you have good points there. It is very interesting to see that DPoS or some derivate of it is adopted by a lot of big projects, most notably Eos, but I thnk Tron has something similar. They did this despite the fact that Lisk has shown for months, if not a year by now, that DPoS' original premise of mass participation in the consensus mechanism can be easily broken. Honestly, I consider DPoS a failed experiment at this point. Shift itself is still quite intact, but I think that is mostly due to it being a smallish project with little reason for serious politics and attacks.
Reading about a new core, whatever that is supposed to be, makes me somewhat hopeful. I mean, Shift was an Ethereum clone, then went Lisk style DPoS after being attacked; this would be yet another hard fork (and most likely a swap), but I suppose this would also be a good thing in the long run. Maybe that's just the way to go: your basis is broken, instead of trying to fix it, swap it for something else.
I really don't know what to make of it I've come to like Shift and its team, but I've grown out of the whole DPoS thing. Maybe it's time to look at Decreds ticket system
By the way, thinking a bit more about the original post, I've come to the conclusion that I've been too hard on the poster. See, I don't like this whole pool thing, but that was just a natural development of the system. The whole idea of blockchain is built upon the concept of channeling the selfishness and greed of individuals through a giant prisoners dilemma, making them work together for their mutual benefit. The system itself needs to be resilient against bad actors and "unconventional" use. The code is law, what is possible within the boundaries of the code is also allowed. If it is not resilient against that, you need to change the system.