to intertwined with fiat what are you talking about pure dribble. it will lower in value cuz bit coin rises so steep but intertwined with fiat please do elaborate perhaps im clueless and my apologies if so cuz my ultimate goal is to get better at this stuff so i am sincere in wanting an explanation.  I am in to deep to get out now so im in to the end where ever that is.  There is a lot i do/did like ex. no premine, scarcity, the name, this forum first and foremost, thats why i stayed in it.  I hope you all are right believe i do I just am having trouble seeing why it is not gaining except to believe market manipulation any feed back would be muhc appreciated