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Re: Signature Probation: Newbie-friendly alternative to Jr. Member Merit requirement
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cryptovigi
on 19/09/2018, 21:34:35 UTC
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both Newbies and Jr. Members are given their signature space only "on probation". That means that if one of their posts is legitimately reported as spam and thus removed, they lose their signature space entirely until they rank up to Member.
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It could be good solution but not for such a big society. For me it sounds more like tons of work for admins - how many newbies and jr. there are? Tens of thousands maybe hundrets of thousands - so think about amount of complaints for admins:
"Admin Why did I loose my signature?",
"Somebody reported me of spam which I didn't - please admin check it up!",
"Who reported me? Why? Admin help!",
"I want my signature back!!!" etc.
To be fair for all users they should be checked. How many of them could be in one month? Few thousands - rather couple dozens of thousands so how many full time admins we need to work only on it?

That's why i think there's need to have a simple, automated and undoubtful solution! Easy rules same for everyone. It's only way to carry it out.


I don't see the big deal, honestly. 1 merit is so easy to come by that any decent poster will eventually get it, and they can carry on earning their monies. The only problem I see is when people have a hundred alternate newbie accounts instead of Jr members now, and they've stopped earning, and can't put bread on the table. At least it stops the spam though. Maybe, this will demotivate others from creating a hundred accounts just to earn on bounties.

Totally agreed!!!

I also think the main issue of tons of spam are not single bounty accounts but MULTIPLE bounty accounts. I find using multiple account as cheating which is hard to prove but I’m pretty sure that 20%-40% of accounts are fake/multiple.…

Let's look the situation:
Setting an account on BTT is really simple the only thing we need is email. You can set 50 email accounts and then 50 BTT accunts in less than hour. Firstly there are many bounty campagines which aprove Newbies. But let's focus on signatures there is need to be Jr. Member at least. After new regulation - 1 merit Jr Accont situation changed but only a little bit. So how much time is really needed  to get 50 merit if you are averege inteligent person two weeks? Let's say it's not as easy so maybe a month? Probably for some post you could be given more than one merit so you have free sMerits which can be transfered to your other accounts - it's prohibited? Sure but who will check if you give back only one sMerit for averege  post to your other account? So after not more than 42 days (time needed to gain 30 points of activity) you are the owner of multiple Jr member account ;-). Now I only need to multiply my signature/tweeter/facebook bounty and...
Let’s go… Let the spam begins!!!

Suming up this new regulation is good but in few weeks from now situation will come back more or less to the beginning.
That's why I think that beside this merit revolution very good idea would be upgrading a verification policy by adding telephone number verification. Let's say Jr Member upgrade needs to verificate telephone number. Many sites already done it exchanges, steemit etc. It's much less comfortable for cheaters to buy 10 or 50 simcards than set up 50 emails... Of course it’s also not such a big deal to do that, but it would harden cheating and spamming much more than the 1 merit need.