not really.  the big argument the guys in that forum thread have with hashfast is whether they will ever get their btc back.  i don't think they will, without a legal fight.. and hashfast can afford much better and more expensive lawyers so i think it won't end well and the fight could last a long time.

I'm simply negotiating with them for whether i decide to cancel my order and get a refund, or leave the order in, and what that will mean.  its a different argument from the one the main hashfast haters are having with them.  but its still academic as i have no idea when hashfast is going to ship any orders.  sure, 4 boxes have been sent to icedrill... and one to luke jnr.  that makes 5 hand built systems.  thats not production.. so i genuinely don't know when they will go into production.. but all i know is that i ordered my systems the same time as icedrill, and I've no clue when I'm going to get them.