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Topic
Board Speculation
Re: Bakkt launching on Dec12, is it will start a bull run?
by
windjc
on 24/10/2018, 00:35:05 UTC
No, they have clearly said that every contract will be backed by a physical bitcoin in their custodial bitcoin fund.

comex gold contracts are also "backed by physical gold" in name. but based on comex's gold vaults vs outstanding longs, it is physically impossible for that to be true. comex has enough assets on its books to cover longs, but not with physical gold.

in other words, comex gold contracts are indeed "fully collateralized" but they are not "fully collateralized with physical gold". you see the distinction, right?

this is how wall street operates and there are no regulations against it. why would bakkt operate differently than the other commodity markets, including those offered by its parent company (ICE)?

You are making a second point, but he said "btc are not held in trust." That is not true. They are held.

i can't speak for anyone else, but as i read it, you're omitting important context: "This is not an ETF: BTC are not held in trust with shares issued against them". i think the point was about whether contracts are fully collateralized by bitcoins ("issued against them"). a bitcoin ETF can't legally issue shares beyond the bitcoins held in its trust. that's not true for bakkt, comex, CME or anyone else offering "physically backed" futures contracts. i agree with that statement. in researching the gold markets, i've dug through enough CFTC reports to know.

when i read through bakkt's published releases, i notice their words have been chosen extremely carefully. is it "fully collateralized" or "fully collateralized by physical bitcoins"? we'll find out when their legal filings are made public.

for now, this is all speculation on both sides. but i see no reason to take their word for anything, especially when it flies in the face of common wall street practices. these guys aren't bitcoiners; it's the friggin ICE.

Jesus. Bitcoin is NOT gold. Holding physical gold is about 100x more difficult than holding digital bitcoin in a wallet. What is up with you guys speculating facts away?

They either have a bitcoin storage or they dont. They do.

Saying they are going to hold physical bitcoins in a wallet means they are going to hold physical bitcoins in a wallet.