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Re: BetKing.io - 20% Rakeback Christmas Bonus - Most trusted Bitcoin Dice site
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on 10/11/2018, 18:58:59 UTC
Quote from: game-protect on November 10, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Interesting to see to what it has turned: BetKing scam
If Dean Nolan and betking are that great why did he use licenced software for free instead of paying for it considering it was from a fellow Bitcointalk user and fellow gambling/gaming community colleague?

It would have cost just 2 BTC to use it but the scammer Dean Nolan wanted to wriggle out paying it and blaming it on a misunderstanding and blaming it on others  Roll Eyes



Quote from: devans on November 04, 2018, 04:57:30 PM
You modified the code to support multiple currencies and you reformatted a few field names from snake_case to camelCase. Perhaps you even rewrote the graph rendering. But it's obvious to anyone that cares to look that BetKing is using bustabit's code. For instance, let's have a look at how the server communicates with the client. On the left is BetKing and on the right a casino using bustabit's v1 software (with permission).

Compare the state that's provided on connection:




Or when a game is starting:




And what the server sends when the game ends:




There are other "similarities" but I believe I've made my point. In any case, I'm over it. I'm just disappointed that you and BetKing would act this way.





Quote from: RHavar on November 04, 2018, 08:01:20 PM
Quote from: BetKing Support on November 04, 2018, 07:35:24 AM
You know we were under the opinion, wrongly, that we were able to use that code after discussing it with RHavar.

This is absolutely ridiculous of you to drag me into this.  I neither said nor implied any such thing. I would normally be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest maybe you misunderstood me, but we only spoke about it after you launched with pirated software.

But I do encourage you to share anything I said that might have given you a different impression. Just make sure you include enough context, like how you first started off with "we didn't just copy it but used reference" before then later admitting you were using a minified verbatim copy of bustabit (even including some pointless bustabit debug lines) both on the client and server, and asked about known problems or exploits in the specific version you're running. So there goes the "accidental infringement" defence. Ooops.

But reviewing our conversation, my advice was to follow the terms of the AGPLv3 version (releasing modified source code) and save you paying the small licensing fee. So please don't act like you were led astray (and not to mention: I'm not a lawyer or have any rights to the source code you're using) so my opinion is rather irrelevant anyway.

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There is not any Bustabit code in the relaunched version and we even use different libraries for graphing.

That's obviously nonsense. Let's not pretend you reimplemented the entire thing in a couple days. It's exactly the same and has literally exactly the same rendering quirks and bugs that it did before. I can see you made a few obvious changes (stripped the debug lines, changed to changed the fonts, stripped the noise function, renamed "GAME_TICK" to "CRASH_GAME_TICK" but as the original author to most of the code you're running, it's rather obvious you just spent a couple days obfuscating your previous blatant copyright infringement.

It's like you got a copy of a Harry Potter book, and find-and-replaced most of the characters and places names. Pretending it's your work is insulting.

And I'm going to be honest, I personally don't really care about copyright infringement (I pretty much pirate every movie I watch), but I do very much value honesty -- and find this whole situation extremely concerning.

And on that note, I'm not sure what's a bigger red-flag: That you raised millions of dollars with an ICO to supposedly help pay development, and then would rip Dan off for a rather insignificant once-off 2 bitcoin licensing fee. Or that you'd rather tarnish your brand and reputation over said fee.

I know Daniel said he's too busy to care, but I don't think what you're doing is fair. I intend on leaving negative trust, and petitioning the Crypto Gambling Foundation to revoke your membership, unless you can do the right thing and pay what is owed (and ideally provide a proof-of-solvency to show you are in the position to complete the terms of the buy-back program that your ICO tokens require).

Yes, betking and Dean Nolan are well known in the forum for being scam and scammer. Thankfully more people are learning the truth about him.