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Re: Trump wants to end birthright citizenship
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mOgliE
on 27/12/2018, 14:42:14 UTC
Its not about being native, it is about culture and integration.
Oh so we're not discussing birthright citizenship then?  Roll Eyes

We are, and this is not an argument.
So if we're discussing birthright we're discussing about the USA Natives...
Native: A person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/native
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If you let people in too fast the fabric of what makes the USA the USA breaks down and becomes absorbed by the new culture.
Doesn't mean anything, can you define what makes the USA the USA? Can you define USA culture? If not, how can you see that "the fabric of what makes the USA the USA is breaking down"?

I see. So unless I can define American culture to your satisfaction, it doesn't exist?
Absolutely not. Stop talking for me. Unless you don't define American culture you can't claim it's breaking down that's all I'm saying here.
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DEFINITION OF CULTURE

This is the definition of culture. All those things effect the functioning of societies. You claiming these qualities are irrelevant is just asinine.
I NEVER made that claim. You're again just forcing words in my mouth for your own purpose.
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A lot of the people flooding into this country are from nations which are pro-socialist and pro-Communist. They flea the misery that these systems create, not understanding the cause, then come here and vote for entitlement programs and overburden public systems. You do this enough times and before you know it the USA is just like all those failing Communist/Socialist states.

This is just an example, as this could occur in many different ways. We can see this pattern play out on a smaller scale as people flea the more socialist policy heavy areas of the US such as California and Illinois bleeding residents to more conservative states like Texas and Tennessee. They then go there and keep voting for the same broken policies they had from where they left as they begin debasing those systems.

This is just one way I know it is happening, because America is a large place, and we deal with this issue internally between the states as well as internationally.
So you still haven't defined in any way what American culture is for you... hence I don't see how you magically know it's "breaking apart" as you say. Especially if there are already large differences inside your nation.
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That is not ok, and the constant attempt to cast this as a racial issue is just a very useful distraction from this fact.
What? The question of race or racism wasn't even mentionned in all my posts, what are you talking about? Oo

"Native" has distinct racial connotations, and a common tactic of people advocating for open borders is to insinuate or outright accuse those they disagree with as racist. What do you attribute my motives to?
Wonderful so now you not only force words in my mouth but also claim I mean things I haven't written about. Native means being born somewhere so the term seems pretty much adequate when discussing birthright citizenship. Stop your paranoïa for a second and maybe you will find not everyone is yelling racist at you...
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Violent rhetoric and your heavy abilities to ignore facts you don't like and answering only to a small part of arguments make it easy for you to chase away any different idea from what you believe is right. You're not silencing anyone, you're simply exhausting anyone different from you, making them leave the place of discussion you occupy because you're not here to discuss.

Imagine you're in a bus, and while everyone talks politely there is someone who suddenly starts yelling at everyone, without touching them, yelling that they're not understanding shit that they're stupid that they have no logic while not listening to the person or answering any of there argument. That will make everyone leave the bus to take another one. That's what you're doing, you're making extremely exhausting for anyone to try to talk where you are because you're here to dominate the ground, not to discuss.

"Violent rhetoric" WTF does that even mean? Advocating for violence? When have I advocated for violence? Words are not violence.
Violent rhetoric isn't advocating for violence but being violent in a discussion. If you don't understand that a discussion can be civil and another can be violent, you're either a saint always being civil in every situation or a crazy asshole always being violent in all situations.
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Ignoring what facts? Just claiming I am ignoring facts is not an argument. When I answer as one longer reply you cry that I "don't address everything", even though I do, but then when I reply to you, as you reply to me, breaking everything down point by point you complain about "small packets".
I don't complain about small packets, for the first time you're actually trying to adress my answer without chosing to ommit parts of it so I'm pretty happy.
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You claiming I am not here to discuss does not magically make it a fact. What you experience could also be described as you running out of arguments to defend your position and giving up on defending it. Your ideas must not be very important if you can't muster a few words for its defense.
It's not mustering a few words, it's having to take your eyes and put them in front of the numerous sentences you decided to ignore while continuing the discussion. Making it extremely difficult to try to speak to you because when you're facing something you don't like, you just ignore it and continue your own agenda.
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I am not preventing you from speaking. If you don't like me "dominating the ground" then perhaps you should present some ideas worth a damn. You never know I might even agree with you.
Then here is an idea:
You are ignoring facts that you don't like. And when you're really cornered and can't do more you just stop answering and continue on the next thread.
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Mobbing, threats, coordinated de-platforming, and attacking ones ability to earn a living are the favored tactics of the left.
Don't know what you're talking about... Don't know a single person in the situation you're describing.

Well shit, since you don't know anyone it must not be the case. Case closed everyone!
Well shit, when you make a claim like that maybe you should provide some informations if the person you're discussing with doesn't know about it?
Doesn't it work like that? You say A and if I disagree with it you're supposed to provide some kind of evidence or at least logic?

Or maybe that when discussing with you, people are supposed to know what you talk about and if they don't you're the one being right without having to provide context or explanations?
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When was the last time you saw conservatives show up to a leftist event? Why is it that leftists are at nearly every conservative event? It is because the left can not tolerate dissent and attempts to silence it at every turn, by any means necessary.
Every France Insoumise meeting or demonstration of the past 2 years in France... But in USA I don't know of course.

Yes. You do not know. That does not stop you from claiming authority on subjects you are only casually familiar with now does it?
Seriously? You ask "when was the last time you saw conservatives show up to a leftist event?" and I answer "I've seen them here but I don't know about all situations" and your answer is "yes you don't know shit"?

If you don't see a problem here I can't do anything for you.


I've stopped here. There is nothing to do about you if you don't see where the problem is.

I would really want to discuss with you. But it seems like it's not possible. Here is exactly what has happened:

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Mobbing, threats, coordinated de-platforming, and attacking ones ability to earn a living are the favored tactics of the left.

m0gliE
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Don't know what you're talking about... Don't know a single person in the situation you're describing.

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Well shit, since you don't know anyone it must not be the case. Case closed everyone!

Which can be translated by:

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Makes a claim

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I never have read or heard anything that support your claim

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Mocking m0gliE and not giving anything to support the claim

How is it possible to discuss with you in those conditions?