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Re: The problem begins and ends with YOU.
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hilariousetc
on 22/04/2019, 11:45:40 UTC
⭐ Merited by dbshck (4) ,Foxpup (4) ,bones261 (3)
Automatic hate towards newcomers

I have to say that this forum has some of the worst hate and distrust for Newbie members. Yes I realize that a lot of this distrust is somewhat warranted especially for the amount of scammers, but again give people a chance. Not every new person is here to scam you out of a dime, not every new person is a jerk that will ruin the forum. Newbies are the future of this forum and we should treat them as such, you ever wonder why people on this forum are so bitter? A lot of it has to do with the fact that people treat them like shit when they were newer to the forum, the cycle needs to end. This is one of the most pressing problems for this forum, if you don't stop the forum will die. Stop hating on Newbies so much and there will be more actual people willing to participate in this forum compared to scammers. Hell, I don't even blame most people for being suspicious of newcomers because who in their right mind would join this forum now. Give people a second chance, there is no reason to have such an unforgiving ride or die view of everyone on here. Not everyone is a forum "expert" like you think of yourself as.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but I don't think you've been on many other forums if you think this forum is the worst for newbie discrimination and I've been on much worse ones where they treat Newbies like shit. In fact, I don't think there's that much hate against new users here, but here I think you're getting mere Newbies confused with spammers and shitposters. Nobody would care if someone signed up to this forum and made great posts but as you've already touched upon signature campaigns and ICO bounties drive people here in droves who don't even care about bitcoin in the slightest other than that they heard they can make some money here. When you have to read thousands of mindless comments purely being made for payment it's understandable why people are going to get annoyed with them specifically, but it's not strictly a newbie issue; it's just many of them happen to be newbies.

I've made the comparison before it's like people signing up to a Lamborghini forum when they don't like cars and can't even drive. Why would anyone sign up to a forum on a subject that they have no interest in? Well they generally don't. Unless that forum is bitcointalk and you can earn a living by posting drivel.

Rank holds too much importance

Again relating to the topic of rank on this forum, holy god I have to say that as far as gatekeeping and entitlement, BitcoinTalk has to be #1. I remember joining a few years back and being gobsmacked act the amount of money and time it takes to get anywhere on this forum.

The people who tend to care about rank are usually those who only have financial interest in it in the first place. Most don't care about ranks and a truly great poster will breeze through them over time. Yes, it takes a long time but we've all had to go through that and ranks should mean something and should be earned, otherwise there's no point in them.

Lack of proper reports, moderation and initiative

This is more of a solution to a lot of the problems having to do with spamming / scamming, but I want to make sure I emphasize my point correctly here as this topic should not be taken lightly. To restate a previous point, reports shouldn't have anything to do with personal opinion of the poster. The one and only question you should ask yourself is: is this post breaking the rules? You aren't jury and executioner here, it's the administrations job to figure out whether your report is right or not. There should be no reason to take this issue into your own hands by using trust or toxicity.

Both reporters and the staff that handle them do so on opinion and is purely subjective. Somebody might report something as spam and the staff may disagree. Staff here also don't get involved with scams but that doesn't mean the community shouldn't get involved with what they think is unjust. Should people turn a blind eye to scams and frauds just because they're not mods?

Favoritism and entitlement

Yes I'm sure some members are favored over others, but it's not because they have the staff on their payroll. It's because they generally are helpful and make their job easier. The staff isn't corrupt and although I agree they aren't perfect, they do a pretty good job considering the bullshit they have to put up with.

Sadly conspiracy theories are very common when you have a victim mentality or feel like you've been wronged somehow. It's much easier for as person to handle something if they create a story or narrative to make out like they're being persecuted for something when the reality of the situation is usually much more dull but the conspiracy theory is always the most exciting.



This boards free speech is being crushed daily. You can not even present observable events without getting red trust.



No it isn't. The problem with this forum is people get away with far too much with no repercussions at all. You are seemingly free to post rubbish across multiple accounts and you are left alone to do so. That doesn't mean you're not going to get treated like an idiot and people leaving you or anyone else negative feedback does not encroach on your freespeech. People seemingly love free speech until it punches them in the face and then they turn around and want that person banned, silenced or imprisoned somehow. That's pure hypocrisy If I've ever seen it. Freedom is good and people should be given as much as possible, but obviously there needs to be some restrictions because not everyone can play nice or by the rules.


It's clear that theymos and the admins don't care, hence nothing will happen. Like everyone else, you'll eventually get tired of the forum politics and move over to reddit.

I think they care but it's a combination of time, money and effort and balancing all that with as much freedom as possible which is ultimately what theymos seems to stand behind. Sadly everybody can't have it their own way and you're never going to appease everyone. Some people would prefer it if staff ruled with an iron fist whilst some think they should do nothing. Some think the way staff handle things currently is fine, but there is obviously always room for improvement.