That was the type of response I was hoping for. I don't mind adverse thoughts to my own, I just wish those thoughts be explained is all. I'd like to expound further on some points, but I think you and I can agree there isn't much more to throw on the table to debate.

I'll close my dribblings with;
I didn't miss the part of ROI ..I'm just saying I don't think an affordable service has anything to do with regard to speculative profits from said investment. Not saying it makes it a wise investment ..some block erupters were "affordable", but not necessarily profitable.

You and others have seen patterns in KnC's behaviors, and I can appreciate drawing conclusions based on the evidence at hand. However, I still hold that it still does not PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt those conclusions are to be taken as fact. I was originally asking for more objectivity to consider plausible alternative circumstances and for less bounding to highly damning accusations ..without fully verified facts of impossible to know conditions.

I understand as well that according to the math done in the thread, figures have come up to a 5.5Th as a best case scenario. However, that is also taking the understanding that all prior, known inputs are the same -that KnC won't change some factors based on previous activity (# of chips for example) Agreed -the primary limiting factor is power, but that remains a larger concern for US miners than other parts of the world. Doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't hit higher figures with larger available power.

I have no problem with the stance you, or Avenger take, to be clear. What I don't like is being so entirely staunch in one idea that any other ideas become impossible to consider, pouncing on anyone that proposes an opposing thought and taking every cheap and sometimes baseless pot shot you can (not saying you particularly).

I really do appreciate the response you've given me.

Yep, but others were pretty quick to draw some other conclusions and just as quick to shout the accusations here as "may as well be fact". My banter wasn't directed at you exclusively.

Avenger -you're mom just needs to stop buying such comfortable underwear.