Upon my analysis, the investors and whales do not want to rush with the altcoins bull run , but rather want to study how stable will be for bitcoin.
Well, that is why the values of these altcoins are seriously going down, because there are no large investors putting money in altcoins market yet and all their focus are on bitcoin for now, and I think the reason why it is so is because many of the investors and whales understand that this period is bitcoin season, and until bitcoin starts to go sideways before any of these large industries can ever consider looking into altcoins.
For ordinary investors, if we are wise, I dont think we should wait till when very big investors and whales starts to pump the altcoins before we start investing, I think it is still best if we start making some moves now to accumulate as much as we can in these altcoins like the ones the Op mentioned and some of other great coins that are available in the market which can be gotten through peoples reviews or by checking the list of coinmarketcap.