Thanks for these tips and I will check them out.. I was hoping to avoid KYC because that is not what BTC is about for me.  The last thing I'm going to do is verify myself with a shady fly by night outfit that has less money than me.   The ATM's are useless here and only for buying. There is only one in my region that advertises selling but when you call them he sounds like he just woke up and its in the false advertising / bad deal capital of the Canada called mississauga.

The best place seems to be to advertise it on craigslist and find someone local.  I was hoping for a smooth interac withdrawal like quadrigacx used to do before it went all KYC and scammy but that is hard to find now. Probably also the reason I take BTC less and less each year.