still no escrow....hmmmm.....from a newbie account as well...(I mean buy a frigging copper account, at least it would be an attempt)
scammers..no pride in their work anymore

Alibaba is offer the trade assurance payment, it is like amazon. You pay the money to the platform first, and we send the items to you. after you received the items and feel ok, then the platform send the money to us.
It is very safe.
Well...anyone else from China or in the world agrees with the above?
It does not really matter in my case, even if all you say is true, with the 27.6% tariff to USA (including import fees) at 10c kWh here that boat doesn't float.

brad
brad you knew he is from china at first
also you had informations , so why you called him scammer and after it discussed about tarrifs!?
if its hard for you to deal with him simply pass him
the hourly transactions which has been done by alibaba is 1000x of the most expensive items you saw in your own world. if you cant trust alibaba you better deal with locals and dont search here.
+you are toxic
sorry for off-topic
All newbie accounts are scammers unless they are doing escrow or do a review by philipma1957 or some other legit bitcointalk fork
I kinda doubt the china site would refund on crypto miners in that most of those kinda sites like eBay don't like pre-orders and/or crypto stuff
again, if he wants to be legit and is as big as he claims he needs to send someone a unit (free or pay after they get it) and do a review on here.
Otherwise, it is all smoke and mirrors. Again, this was NOT a problem back in 2014 manufacturer's sent out all sorts of stuff to review or set up group buys, etc
with the escrow and had legit non-newbie accounts to do so. So no reason it can't be done today with lower-priced miners and quicker shipping.
So if you are right and he is not a scammer...the firm he represents needs to step up their game on here and prove they are legit...or they will just fade
into the weeds outside of a china ASIC maker.
So I've done group buys (see trust rating and past deals) also I've done escrow (again see trust) others on here have done the same.
If the company is as big as they claim, this is a little risk and great reward for setting up a group buy/escrow and/or reviews. But again, a legit review is send a unit
to review with either pay after receive if the reviewer likes it or review sends it back without pay or of course you really want to make a statement you are legit
send it free to review. But money talks and bullshit walks...just saying ...I mean at least by a frigging copper account for like $40 or some such so you can post pictures
on here..and other stuff.
Sorry if I'm stepping on toes. But the last newbie account I saw that was legit doing this was spondoolies back in 2014. Since then nada.
Brad