Yes, topia is dead. msp was trading on coinexchange.io after that is dead now too and going to be taken down in December anyway. You can buy msp at forkdelta.app at great price now from my perspective. msp has got a product in some shape and is close to alpha release but it may still take some time before we see some decent gains. I would take this opportunity and buy now and wait to see if any action happens in next 3 months. this is not an investment advice. It can go one of two ways only: either heavy gains or to zero.