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Re: [POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ???????????
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xtraelv
on 05/11/2019, 23:17:35 UTC


Your accusations against Hilariousetc and Flying hellfish are as reliable as the accusation against you about kidnapping the invisible giraffe and starving it to death.

Photo of the missing giraffe:



Your homo-erotic fantasies involving bears is witnessed here:





" that's it xldiv, keep ramming your face into his heel like that over and over" " that's it now you're almost unconscious and looking like you have been hit by a train , you are certainly winning, look at him not a single scratch"    the little bears chant...hahaha

WTF was going on in your head when you wrote that !!!???



Proof of pleasuring yourself:


LOTS MORE COMING SOON


Insults to cats here:

Well, where does one start with this filth bag.

In the meantime - not one denial about the kidnapped invisible giraffe. You've had ample time to deny it and didn't- surely that is plenty of proof of guilt ! It must have pleasured you when you buried the corpse - you sick fuck !

Were you aroused when you buried the the corpse - yes or no ? (This is a yes or no answer question only ! Everything else will be ignored)

In addition to that you have tagged no scammers what-so-ever or excluded any scammers from your trust list. You are the most corrupt of all ! By your own logic you support every scammer that has ever been on this forum !


On a more serious note:

I debunked it here and proved you made untruthful accusations and attempted to censor comments you didn't like:

It shows a complete lack of understanding of the processes here:

After marking bad our reports from this thread ranging from -

1. telling people not to reply on thread and ADMITTING they never read the initial post
2. making false accusations
3. admitting they don't read the OP before making random insults
4. strange speculation on what we look like (suchmoon taking her wig off to post a picture of herself)


Three (2-3-4) of those things you mentioned are not breaking the rules.

If (1) you bait someone with insults but create a local rule stating that they cannot reply it is very likely that it will not be enforced.

Reporting someone for those things is called attempted censorship

You'd know that if you had read the rules. Very important: If you report someone for breaking the rules - make sure it is a rule

If it is not a rule - then it is a false report.


Q: Why haven't you banned who is an obvious scammer?
A: Possible (or real, not for me to decide) scams are not moderated to prevent moderator abuse. If we start picking out which ones we call "scammers" and ban, we would make a lot of decisions based on biased opinions.

Q: Do you moderate/delete (possible) FUD, accusations and untrue information?
A: No. We don't have enough time to check every single piece of information and verify the validity of the sources. Also, just like scams - too much room for bias and abuse.

However, trolling isn't allowed. If a user is habitually posting obviously false nonsense ("obviously false nonsense" to an outsider, NOT to someone who follows or is involved in the discussion) just to stir up trouble, then it's considered trolling, which is prohibited. Such cases should be thoroughly documented in the report though (There are tons of reports that just say "trolling", but moderators don't have time to look through each user's post).

Q: Someone insulted me. Why aren't you deleting his post/thread?
A: Possible (since we don't have the time or resources to check) insults are also allowed as long as they contain any kind of constructive opinion, info or something else substantial and aren't off-topic. For example, posting something like "you are dumb" will be deleted as it contains no meaningful content. However, if the post is somewhere along the lines of "You are dumb. This is wrong because this website/thread/etc. has explained it's not right", it's in most cases accepted.

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So our DT has been taken over by a bunch of people that are OBSERVABLY DIRTY.

Most of the people on your list were on DT already with the old system.
There are currently 100 DT1 of which 3 are excluded. There are many more DT2
So it hasn’t been “taken over”.

1. They mostly all cycle merit to each other

None of the people in the OP have any benefit from receiving merit. They all had Legendary or Hero accounts when merit was introduced.

Some of them are merit sources and by giving merit to people whose judgement they trust it is spread to other users via the sMerit system. The way it was designed.

A legendary account receiving merit = no benefit.
Receiving more than 1000 merit = no benefit to recipient.

2. They mostly  all vote to include each other on DT (via their foolishly given right to be the ones to decide on WHOM is eligible for DT)

That is way the system is supposed to work.  People vote for people that they trust. There were no instant changes but I worked hard to ensure that DT’s were endorsed in the Russian and Turkish communities. Local knowledge and native language speakers from different countries greatly assist in detecting scams and cultural understanding and diversity.
Both Tman and Lauda listened to what I had to say and both modified their viewpoints but
I also recognize that they also have the right to have a different opinion than me.

I have not seen any evidence that the majority of people (excluding spam and alt accounts) disagree with the selection of DT. Only a small minority voices disagreement. Some refer to themselves in plural format and some of them are alts.

This is a good start.

The Russian locale is quite upset with what they consider manipulation of the DT system.

They believe what they did is consistent with what Theymos instructed:

TMAN, you're coming across as a real asshole here. AFAICT, that topic is highly analogous to the English discussions. The main addition is that they're looking to get more local representation in DT1, which is very reasonable. I'd prefer if people not treat trust lists as an election, but if I had wanted nobody to ever think/talk/strategize about how trust lists affect DT1 selection, I would've kept the DT1 criteria secret.

They quickly found a quote from me where I previously documented that usernames starting with tildes are handled:
"If you want to trust someone whose name begins with a tilde, prefix their name with a backslash."   тe ecли вы xoтитe выcкaзaть дoвepиe юзepy ~XXX  в cвoй cпиcoк пpямoгo дoвepия зaпишитe \~XXX, ecли жe вы xoтитe выcкaзaть eмy нeдoвepиe зaпишитe ~\~XXX.
So they knew right away that the ~DefaultTrust account was harmless.

I see nothing concerning with xandry's actions there. Nothing there comes close to warranting deletion. Even if someone was openly talking about trying to form a strategic DT1 manipulation group for the express purpose of undermining the system, such a topic should not be deleted; rather, I'd look to handle this within the DT1 selection criteria.

While I don't understand Russian that well and I am not that often on their pages I have been chatting with a couple of the people involved.

I'd like to see this de-escalate. For the sake of everyone involved.

I do think that some Russian members have been treated unfairly. For instance for being tagged for merely posting in a thread that according to Theymos is their right to do.

What you are complaining about is exactly how the system is supposed to work.


3. They mostly all seem to be creaming off the best paying (in btc) sig spots via their pals who are campaign managers.

I’ve never participated in a signature or bounty campaign. I don’t like signature campaigns and recently when I audited a signature campaign it became apparent just how prominent spam and bounty scammers are.

I imagine that a reputable bounty or sig manager will give preference to people who they know to be reliable posters.

Being a business they have the right to choose who represents them.  
Anyone can become a bounty manager.

4. The central cluster of Dirty Turds also seem to exclude the same people from dt.

That is because they don’t trust those people. Local rules you made prevent discussing those people individually.

Local rules - this is a discussion regarding the observable instances of DT members engaging in clearly negative and untrustworthy behaviors only. Those on default trust DT1 DT2 DT3 may be discussed and nobody else

5. They will use the "TRUST" system to punish whistle blowing of their prior observable wrong doing.

There is a right and wrong way to approach a situation. If you are relatively unknown and use abusive and emotive language to attack a prominent forum member using a method that does not follow the normal protocols then it is likely that that person will be ignored or ostracised.
That is how social norms work. Those that yell and shout abuse at those that enforce the rules generally get cast out.