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Re: Why I'm an atheist
by
BADecker
on 14/11/2019, 17:05:09 UTC

In our deterministic world, religious freedom is the norm. How? God takes our free choices (because we are too weak to do it) and activates the C&E that causes what we chose in this deterministic universe. God isn't limited by time. If necessary to make the universe match our choices, He goes back to the beginning and tweaks C&E to get it to happen today according to what we choose.

Quantum physics is a tiny beginning into God observation. The more of it we see, the more we see God.

You need to think more before you write.

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LOL.  You either have free will or you don't.  You feel the heat, don't you? Let me bring it home for you.

You cannot have C&E determinism/no randomness and free will at the same time.

You picked "no randomness", so you are a Christian heretic as you denied the existence of free will.  If you would pick an indeterministic model of the world, you would also lose because you would be against the dogma that says that God controls everything and that he pre-arranged everything for us.

Heads you lose, tails you lose.

The Christian dogma that says the world is predetermined by God and allows for a free will, contradicts itself. But what else is new.  
The whole thing is a poorly written soap opera.

Anyway, intrinsic randomness has been observed in nature. Next.

A quadriplegic has free will to wish that he would walk across the room. But he can't do it because he is weakened by his Q problem. So, someone else moves him across the room as he wished.

Just because a person has free will to wish something, doesn't mean he can do it. And it is really like that for all people. God has placed the world in place so that they have many things that they can do. But really, it is God that carries out their wishes for them... all of them, simultaneously, all over the world. However, there are some wishes that God doesn't carry out for them. You can't literally jump to the moon, can you?

So, we live in a deterministic world. Yet we have free will to wish. And it is God Who carries out many of our wishes for us, both according to what we wish, and according to His will at the same time.

So, you can see how free will exists, and yet how  activity in life works deterministically. But this was explained in my previous post that you quoted. So you prove that you are a liar by suggesting that I am a heretic.

Btw, no pure random has been observed in nature. The only random is the fact that people are unable to follow the determinism in nature. Such random is not pure random. It is only weakness and ignorance.

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