Re: DefaultTrust changes

Quote from: LoyceV on November 28, 2019, 05:33:10 PM

Quote from: LoyceMobile on July 09, 2019, 04:38:21 PM

Lauda had (2) net-inclusions on DT1.
Lauda now has 6 net-inclusions on DT2.
Lauda got blacklisted from DT1.

I have 2 scenarios
1: suppose Lauda wasn't blacklisted, but got 3 more exclusions from other DT1 members. That would mean Lauda was removed from DefaultTrust entirely.

2: the current state (Lauda blacklisted from DT1). Now suppose Lauda gets the same 3 exclusions from DT1. That would mean Lauda still has 3 net-inclusions on DT2 and remains on DefaultTrust.

This means it is possible that a DT1-exclusion leads to a member being on DT2 which wouldn't happen without blacklisting. This is probably caused by the fact that excluded DT1-members can vote against other DT1-members, but they can't vote against DT2-members.
Is that the intended behaviour of the DefaultTrust system?

I was reminded about this by The-One-Above-All.
It turns out LoyceMobile's scenario became reality:
According to IsLaudaStillOnDT.tk:

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YEP.

Lauda is on DT2 with 1 inclusions.

Now check Lauda's Trust inclusions and exclusions from DT1 (data from last Saturday morning's data dump):

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Trust list for: Lauda (Trust: +34 / =3 / -1) (1209 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (created 2019-11-23_Sat_06.13h)
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Lauda Trusts these users' judgement:
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Lauda Distrusts these users' judgement:
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Lauda's judgement is Trusted by:
5. qwk (Trust: +13 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (23) 1191 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
7. Anduck (Trust: +19 / =2 / -1) (DT1! (4) 55 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
8. DiamondCardz (Trust: +9 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (2) 86 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
9. philipma1957 (Trust: +24 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 980 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
24. hybridsole (Trust: +19 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 259 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
27. hilariousandco (Trust: +17 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (37) 688 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
28. Avirunes (Trust: +10 / =2 / -0) (DT1! ( Cool

265 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
34. owlcatz (Trust: +40 / =0 / -1) (DT1! (23) 240 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
36. sapta (Trust: +10 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (7) 177 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
37. BitcoinPenny (Trust: +42 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (17) 569 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
44. ezeminer (Trust: +23 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 95 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
57. asu (Trust: +2 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 508 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
69. finaleshot2016 (Trust: +1 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (3) 548 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
71. crwth (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 471 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
78. roycilik (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (4) 1055 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
83. Silent26 (Trust: +1 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 224 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
97. pandukelana2712 (Trust: +3 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (2) 923 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
99. asche (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! ( Cool

803 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
104. TalkStar (Trust: +7 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (4) 390 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

~Lauda's judgement is Distrusted by:
1. theymos (Trust: +26 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (59) 5786 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
4. gmaxwell (Trust: +14 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (19) 1742 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
6. TECSHARE (Trust: +37 / =4 / -1) (~~DT1~~ (-3) 540 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
10. OgNasty (Trust: +84 / =2 / -5) (DT1! (5) 741 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
18. babo (Trust: +6 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (5) 285 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
25. TookDk (Trust: +30 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 39 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
42. arulbero (Trust: +6 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (5) 337 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
44. mindrust (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (4) 619 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
52. redsn0w (Trust: +8 / =2 / -0) (DT1! (6) 40 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
58. Rmcdermott927 (Trust: +26 / =1 / -0) (DT1! (1) 47 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
64. nutildah (Trust: +5 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (10) 1471 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
80. zazarb (Trust: +23 / =0 / -1) (~~DT1~~ (-3) 482 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
90. WhiteManWhite (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (5) 85 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
101. kzv (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (0) 555 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
104. TheFuzzStone (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 736 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
125. bobita (Trust: +3 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (1) 351 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
142. Goran_ (Trust: neutral) (DT1! (2) 832 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
178. chimk (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (9) 696 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
212. fillippone (Trust: +7 / =1 / -0) (DT1! ( Cool

1703 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
213. taikuri13 (Trust: +4 / =0 / -0) (DT1! (11) 1042 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

The result:
19 inclusions
20 exclusions

The reason: TECSHARE and zazarb are on DT1, but excluded by other DT1s. That means they can still vote to exclude other DT1-members, but they can't "downvote" DT2-members (because their vote doesn't count there).
I've posted before asking if this is the intended behaviour, but theymos never responded. I'm still curious to know if this is a a flaw or done on purpose.

Note that Lauda wouldn't be on DT1 even without being excluded by theymos: emptying your own Trust list disqualifies you already.

Am I getting this right, if somebody gets excluded from DT1 by "vote", then this vote can only count directly against their exclusion from DT1, still allowing for that person to have a spot on DT2 and no way to directly vote them out.

IMHO, even if that's not a bug, it sounds very much like the opposite of a desired effect. If I understand this correctly, the only way to vote against DT2 participants is to exclude all their DT1 trusters? That's also a big disincentive against using DT at all.