Re: Poker talk - Specifically Hold'em - Hands and or strategy
⭐ Merited by figmentofmyass (1)
how did those other 3 hands play out, Steamtyme?
Sorry, I was on a short change and didn't get around to updating you on the hands. Here we go.@Steamtyme, is it possible to note how many are seated at the table? that would affect preflop range.
I'll mark it down, but I believe all of these hands were 9 seated, some may have been 8 but I'll go back through and confirm. Dealt to Hero [8s Js]
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i like the preflop raise and c-bet. on the turn RRAI i'd have put him on a strong draw (and called). i tend to give people too much credit. 
was he trying to bluff you off that or was he just a donk?
He showed [3d 5d], so he jammed was he trying to bluff you off that or was he just a donk?
There were 8 of us seated at this time.Hero [Jc 7c]
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yikes. that turn and river is why i try to keep pots small after flops like that. very connected board. how often do you expect him to check behind you if you check the flop? i guess that's what determines whether i go for the steal (i'd rather not see turn+river if i bet) or play it more passively to get a cheap showdown.
without reads, villain could easily have raised AT, KT, QT, JT, TT (unlikely), T9, T8s, T7s, maybe other Tx. He also could have raised XsXs. there is a much wider range but the possibility that you are completely dominated by a straight or flush on the turn is real enough that we want to keep the pot small or get out IMO.
i'm probably not betting that turn and i'm probably check-folding the river. better spots to be had....
This hand checked through on the river. He mucked the hand but looking back at it in replay I could see he had a worse 2 pair. I fully intended to check fold the river. I was flipping over whether or not to down bet the turn or check/call. In the moment I hated this hand so much just watching it get better and worse at the same time. I see the value in going for maybe a 1/4-1/3 pot bet size on the flop, as it was getting dicey on the turn. I felt fairly confident though with them just check calling and not re-raising me, they had seen me call down a few times previously. I had them on a better J based on the way they played, but still would have walked away on the river.without reads, villain could easily have raised AT, KT, QT, JT, TT (unlikely), T9, T8s, T7s, maybe other Tx. He also could have raised XsXs. there is a much wider range but the possibility that you are completely dominated by a straight or flush on the turn is real enough that we want to keep the pot small or get out IMO.
i'm probably not betting that turn and i'm probably check-folding the river. better spots to be had....
Hero [Kd Kh]
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i might prefer a postflop 3bet there.
very frustrating turn. i would bet into his turn check and probably fold to a 3bet.
We were 9 handed here. Here they folded to the bet on the turn. I definitely see the value in the 3-bet, I thought the same thing when I saw that A come up, and was kicking myself thinking I may have let them get there. I'm thinking they had a lower pocket pair, maybe a weak JX that they were trying to protect by leading into me, and thought I hit the A on the turn. very frustrating turn. i would bet into his turn check and probably fold to a 3bet.
Hero [UTG] [Js Kd]
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on the turn, your stack is only marginally bigger than the pot, correct? i think it's probably time to shove. the post flop check-call suggests either weakness or the nuts. either way, at these stack sizes i really don't like bet-folding to a turn check-raise. so i wanna get it in first to scare him off draws, weak pairs, top pair/weak kickers.
You had the right idea for sure. I was unwittingly letting them get a good price drawing on an open ender. They were holding [Jc Ts], The Jam on the turn would have either been a nice payoff or they would have got there on the river. As it went though I checked through on the river, I believe I was being to cautious due to my stack size and them calling me down. I think I was feeling like they were slowplaying a pocket pair that may have flopped a set, and were just hoping I'd get it in. This was also 9 handed.Hero [LJ] [Jd Ks]
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given that it's 3-handed i might bet the flop to isolate but that works.
This started out 9 handed at the table. This was one of these moments when I didn't want to bet the strength, I do try to pay attention and mix it up. Some times betting and sometimes checking so as not to give away my hand strength.As always thanks for the insights. I've been keeping in mind the "better spots" when I get into a tough spot, and have been playing around with smaller betsizing on certain boards post-flop depending on texture and holdings. Now I have to get a little better at handling the aggression of other players, normally not an issue. I did get into 1 tourney on my days off and just got lucky with my stacksize. I got real sick of the BB, at my table when I was BTN, 3 bet jamming and called him down with a couple off-suit broadway cards - definitely not a better spot. He hit a pair on the turn, it was a true 50/50, but not something I needed to be in. I did manage to claw back from it, but the rest of the tourny I feel my gameplay suffered from letting that moment get to me. I have been improving on finishes overall though with min cash or better the last 4 outings. I'll take that all day as I continue to improve.