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Re: Donald Trump Has Been Impeached. What's Next? [serious discussion]
by
Spendulus
on 01/02/2020, 00:05:13 UTC
It's is utterly amazing reading the discussions the founders had regarding impeachment. Everything that they are saying today mirrors what was argued way back then. In the end, what the defense is saying etc is exactly everything that the founders rejected which is why the "high crimes and misdemeanors" is in there and that it is fairly broad in what it means.
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Bottom line, After going through reams of this stuff, I have little doubt that the founders would have impeached and convicted Trump in a second. I also think they would be appalled by what has become of their creation.

I was jumping around from site to site yanking out a few quotes here and there as a lot of it was "opinion" and I wanted to try and find quotes etc. I failed to note each and every site. Sorry, but here are a couple I used.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/inside-founding-fathers-debate-over-what-constituted-impeachable-offense-180965083/
https://www.npr.org/2019/11/18/779938819/fractured-into-factions-what-the-founders-feared-about-impeachment

Sounds like you could have done a better job than Schiff et al, I thought they were unstructured and disorganized in their work in the House, weak and illogical in the 2 charges brought, poor in the wording, and impossibly weak in the defense of the charges in the Senate.

Yeah, I have little good to say about the majority of any of them on either side especially today. They are almost all useless, worthless, self serving unethical scum bags who put self interest above country and the constitution. I"m a tad negative about it all today. They have one last chance to at least put a bandaid on it but I don't think they will.

Given they never dreamed or seriously considered they'd get 2/3 in the senate, it's then useful to ask what the real motivations were. What were they actually trying to accomplish? I think a motive that has to be considered is that they are actually quite confused, and do not have clear motives.

But taking the alternative, if their Schiff show in total had the effect of keeping hard core voters convinced "Orange Man Bad," then that could be a motive.

All in all, I'm not comprehending what the witnesses were intended to accomplish and for what goal. They weren't going to somehow create the 2/3. So were they just to be a gambit to keep the whole show going for a couple months? Essentially more repetition of the theme "orange man bad?"