Re: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position
Essentially the moderators are now even preventing me from defending myself against these negative ratings and false accusations. The rating by Nullius, by his own admission is based completely upon Vod's rating for me, which is based on another accusation with no basis whatsoever. The fact that Nullius is basing his rating upon Vod's rating means that Vod's rating is directly related to Nullius's abuse of the trust system. In spite of this, the moderators continue to remove my ability to defend myself against these accusations simply because, very likely the accusing party themselves, is spamming reports to get this defense removed. No bias whatsoever, I am sure.
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Based on my experience with you, he probably has said the same thing over and over, with you ignoring the answer and asking the question ad infinitum. Example - everyone has seen this quote, and I keep pointing out the quote (it is in the reference link of the trust) but you keep repeating your question:
Please consider me a coward as well. Can't spend all my time explaining things to you. :/
As usual, and time you are asked to substantiate your endless accusations, you pretend to be above it. Could it be you know you can't substantiate your claims and are avoiding the attempt at all cost? I think so.
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Hhampuz is a coward for not speaking, yes.
Based on my experience with you, he probably has said the same thing over and over, with you ignoring the answer and asking the question ad infinitum. Example - everyone has seen this quote, and I keep pointing out the quote (it is in the reference link of the trust) but you keep repeating your question:
P.S. Still waiting for you to quote that lie Vod.
Please consider me a coward as well. Can't spend all my time explaining things to you. :/
As usual, and time you are asked to substantiate your endless accusations, you pretend to be above it. Could it be you know you can't substantiate your claims and are avoiding the attempt at all cost? I think so.
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I have been penalized. DT1 strength went from 31 to 22.
Now I am following the advice of Theymos and the wishes of the community, and I am going to stop regurgitating the same bullshit - like you not being able to read a reference link.
The community finds my rating on you acceptable. That's all - sorry. :/
None of that explains how getting a negative rating for your admittedly wrong actions is trust system abuse. You don't get to decide what the penalty is Vod, that is the nature of punishments. Also, might I remind you I am a member of this community, and I judge your actions to be not only well documented, wrong, but very worthy of a negative rating. Your ratings and accusations against me are completely baseless and a very transparent attempt to extort me into removing and or punish me for leaving you that perfectly justified rating.
P.S. Still waiting for you to quote that lie Vod.
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You admit it was wrong but you some how think you are above being penalized for it, and anyone who does rate you for it is abusing the trust?
I have been penalized. DT1 strength went from 31 to 22.
Now I am following the advice of Theymos and the wishes of the community, and I am going to stop regurgitating the same bullshit - like you not being able to read a reference link.
The community finds my rating on you acceptable. That's all - sorry. :/
None of that explains how getting a negative rating for your admittedly wrong actions is trust system abuse. You don't get to decide what the penalty is Vod, that is the nature of punishments. Also, might I remind you I am a member of this community, and I judge your actions to be not only well documented, wrong, but very worthy of a negative rating. Your ratings and accusations against me are completely baseless and a very transparent attempt to extort me into removing and or punish me for leaving you that perfectly justified rating.
P.S. Still waiting for you to quote that lie Vod.
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You did post private messages simply because the user ignored you, and then you lied about it twice.
My rating is well substantiated and identical to yours.
What's more important is I removed my thread right away when I realized it was wrong. Your trust abuse remains.
Still waiting for you to quote that supposed lie Vod. The act was done regardless of how fast you removed the thread. You admit it was wrong but you some how think you are above being penalized for it, and anyone who does rate you for it is abusing the trust?
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I didn't dox and report a user to the IRS, in a publicly documented thread Vod, so no, your rating is not identical to mine. Mine is well substantiated. Yours is baseless.
You did post private messages simply because the user ignored you, and then you lied about it twice.
My rating is well substantiated and identical to yours.
What's more important is I removed my thread right away when I realized it was wrong. Your trust abuse remains.
Still waiting for you to quote that supposed lie Vod. The act was done regardless of how fast you removed the thread. You admit it was wrong but you some how think you are above being penalized for it, and anyone who does rate you for it is abusing the trust?
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Yes, I am sure you would prefer I stop bringing attention to your abuse of the trust system wouldn't you? You are rather fond of accusing me of lying to justify your negative ratings. Please quote this supposed lie.
I didn't dox and report a user to the IRS, in a publicly documented thread Vod, so no, your rating is not identical to mine. Mine is well substantiated. Yours is baseless.
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Techy, let it go. You are acting mentally ill, and you lied (twice now) about why you post private messages.
There is nothing wrong with my trust since it is identical to yours.
There is nothing wrong with my trust since it is identical to yours.
Yes, I am sure you would prefer I stop bringing attention to your abuse of the trust system wouldn't you? You are rather fond of accusing me of lying to justify your negative ratings. Please quote this supposed lie.
I didn't dox and report a user to the IRS, in a publicly documented thread Vod, so no, your rating is not identical to mine. Mine is well substantiated. Yours is baseless.
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So you are in contact with Hhampuz and he told you he is a jellyfish (your word) because he's afraid of retribution?
I think you are lying again, since he and I are on good terms, and I don't see him as the coward you do.
I didn't leave you any trust about how Hhampuz feels about you, but that was just deflection, right you sick fuck?
In your giant wall of text - you never provided me with any unsubstantiated negative trust I could remove. That's probably so you can post and get paid again, right? I'm still willing to remove any unjust negatives.
Just wanted to point this out. How does your typing something prove anything? You know it doesn't - you left that feedback to be an ass, you lied about the reason then, and you lie about it now.
Edit: I just received a message from Hhampuz. He claims not to have spoken to you since you sent him an unsolicited PM asking him to attack me in this thread! How many other people have you done this to?
Hmmmm... now I wonder if everything you've ever said has been as untrue...
Hhampuz is a coward for not speaking, yes. I think they are a good person, but simply don't have the strength to deal with people such as you. Unfortunately they could have just made a comment on the situation before as I requested and it would have been done, but now you are dragging them into this against their will so that might not be an option, who knows. Funny you would have to drag a user into a situation when you are leaving a negative rating on their behalf isn't it? Almost like you are a bigger problem for them than the thing you are negative rating for. No one said anything about how Hhampuz feels, good attempt at deflection, as you yourself deflect, then throw in a personal attack as a cherry on top.
"In your giant wall of text - you never provided me with any unsubstantiated negative trust I could remove."
What? Is that fucking English? Is that your semantic way of reversing the burden of proof? You haven't substantiated shit, I don't have to prove anything, that is your job as the accuser.
What did I do to Hhampuz? Ask him to tell the truth? OH THE HUMANITY!
Here is my PM to Hhampuz since you are intent on making shit up knowing he doesn't want to get involved leaving him in a position where you can either speak for him or he is forced to get involved. What a good friend you are selflessly using him to attack your enemies, on his behalf of course.
So where is the substantiation for the rest of your ratings Vod?
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I posted a PM because the Hhampuz was insinuating I was PMing him abusive messages to justify his spineless behavior toward me because he was fearful of being drawn into the retribution thirsty mob of people of which you are a member. This is the same reason he refuses to comment on the situation now, he fears retribution for speaking the truth of the matter and derailing your obviously retaliatory and frivolous negative rating, on his behalf, with the truth.
So you are in contact with Hhampuz and he told you he is a jellyfish (your word) because he's afraid of retribution?
I think you are lying again, since he and I are on good terms, and I don't see him as the coward you do.
I didn't leave you any trust about how Hhampuz feels about you, but that was just deflection, right you sick fuck?
In your giant wall of text - you never provided me with any unsubstantiated negative trust I could remove. That's probably so you can post and get paid again, right? I'm still willing to remove any unjust negatives.
I posted a PM because the Hhampuz was insinuating I was PMing him abusive messages to justify his spineless behavior toward me
Just wanted to point this out. How does your typing something prove anything? You know it doesn't - you left that feedback to be an ass, you lied about the reason then, and you lie about it now.
Edit: I just received a message from Hhampuz. He claims not to have spoken to you since you sent him an unsolicited PM asking him to attack me in this thread! How many other people have you done this to?
Hmmmm... now I wonder if everything you've ever said has been as untrue...
Hhampuz is a coward for not speaking, yes. I think they are a good person, but simply don't have the strength to deal with people such as you. Unfortunately they could have just made a comment on the situation before as I requested and it would have been done, but now you are dragging them into this against their will so that might not be an option, who knows. Funny you would have to drag a user into a situation when you are leaving a negative rating on their behalf isn't it? Almost like you are a bigger problem for them than the thing you are negative rating for. No one said anything about how Hhampuz feels, good attempt at deflection, as you yourself deflect, then throw in a personal attack as a cherry on top.
"In your giant wall of text - you never provided me with any unsubstantiated negative trust I could remove."
What? Is that fucking English? Is that your semantic way of reversing the burden of proof? You haven't substantiated shit, I don't have to prove anything, that is your job as the accuser.
What did I do to Hhampuz? Ask him to tell the truth? OH THE HUMANITY!
Here is my PM to Hhampuz since you are intent on making shit up knowing he doesn't want to get involved leaving him in a position where you can either speak for him or he is forced to get involved. What a good friend you are selflessly using him to attack your enemies, on his behalf of course.
Any chance you could say something? This is horse shit and everyone knows it, but no one wants to say boo to this loon. He is essentially negging me in your name.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53774105#msg53774105
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5221450.msg53774105#msg53774105
So where is the substantiation for the rest of your ratings Vod?
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I will neutralize any false accusations right away! Did you post a PM of a user because they stopped chatting with you? Did you then lie about it? The quote is in the reference link.
I suggest everyone simply ignore you, so your threat to disrupt the forum for the "long haul" is neutralized, and we get on with our lives.
Could you do me one favor? Could you reply, denying you have ever done anything wrong, and use as many words as possible to justify your sig payment? Thx.
I posted a PM because the Hhampuz was insinuating I was PMing him abusive messages to justify his spineless behavior toward me because he was fearful of being drawn into the retribution thirsty mob of people of which you are a member. This is the same reason he refuses to comment on the situation now, he fears retribution for speaking the truth of the matter and derailing your obviously retaliatory and frivolous negative rating, on his behalf, with the truth.
Last I checked Hhampuz had me included on his trust list and had left a positive rating for me. Seems like odd behavior for some one you claim I some how in some undefined way caused damage to doesn't it Vod? Why is it that you care more about this than he does? Oh that's right, it is all you can muster to find even the most flimsy excuse for negative rating me in retribution for leaving you a perfectly justified rating for the publicly documented doxing of another user, in an obvious attempt at extorting me into removing it.
There was nothing controversial or secret about anything in the message, and the entire point of it was simply to demonstrate that we shared a friendly tone at the time. As you could see in the thread the you and the usual clowns were laying the pretext for this frivolous rating for later use by immediately trying to turn it into some crime. This whole accusation is just a sad excuse for you to get retribution, and this pathetic pretext is the best you could come up with.
I never lied about it, and your claims to that effect are yet more manipulation and deceitful accusations on your part in a pathetic attempt to try to inflate the importance of your accusations against me because you know very well they are weak as fuck. Tell me Vod, how am I "disrupting the forum" by challenging your and Nullus's obvious abuse of the trust system?
FYI, I get a flat fee for my signature with zero posting requirements. I know you are exceptionally thirsty to try to latch on to any little thing you can to impugn my character, but this is exceptionally pathetic. This isn't going to work out for you Vod, just like it didn't work out for you the last 3 or 4 times you abused the trust system against me and were forced to remove your ratings.
Now that we have covered that frivolous rating, what about the others? Do you have any substantiation whatsoever that I was "manipulating the trust?" It seems you are simply basing your accusation off of another baseless accusation from another user with clear animus against me, and nullius is basing his accusation off of yours, no one substantiating anything all through the whole process. You all sure sound like reliable unbias folk that wouldn't abuse the trust this community puts in you to retaliate and serve your own petty personal vendettas to me!
I don't lump people together in attempts to stir up drama. When I say "the ones calling "them" out" it necessarily doesn't mean you.
I've decided not to disclose why I Add/Remove/Exclude people from my trust list as someone will always be angry and send you nasty messages.
Quite convenient you never need to explain yourself because feels.
And why exactly would he have to explain himself?
Maybe because publicly he insinuated I was sending him nasty messages and privately we had perfectly friendly conversations and his public and private persona are inconsistent.
Hey Tecshare,
Thank you for reaching out, hope you are enjoying this BTC rally too!
I understand that me leaving merit to that thread may have been stupid and my judgement was clouded by my disliking of og. There is no way for me to remove merit but even if it were, as the thread stands right now, I'm not sure I would remove it. No need to argue on my behalf with teegumes, although it is much appreciated! I'll take his neg and wear it as a reminder to always think twice before taking any action here which can also be a good thing.
After beeing down and feeling shit for a couple of months I've come back now and have found joy in the small things, doing much better and will just try and be hard at work.
Again, thank you for reaching out, I appreciate it. Hope you are doing ok, too!
WOW. MUCH NASTY! SO ANGER!
Is that so? Maybe some one should tell that to the 13 cult members excluding me because they don't like my criticism of their pals. I am sure the long list of people on the list no one has ever heard of are far more trustworthy. My crimes are too numerous to count after all.
I can't speak for the other 12 cult members but I excluded you after you publically posted a PM between you and Hhampuz. I don't exclude people if I disagree with them or just because I think that they are assholes.
I see, so the fact that I posted that message is more of a problem than his duplicity and inability to have a conversation like an adult. Got it. You know what would have prevented that? Him willing to have a conversation about it, instead he chose to hide like a coward rather than explain himself. The message had nothing exceptional in it other than a demonstration of his duplicitous behavior, this is just a pathetic excuse for you to virtue signal to the DT mob. There is no presumption of privacy with personal messages. If this is your standard you should exclude Suchmoon too. I am sure I could find plenty of other examples of people on your trust list that have shared PMs as well, but oh that's right you people only apply these standards to others when it serves your bias. This is just a woefully pathetic pretext for retaliation.
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I am not closing any thread, sorry. Unfortunately you will be seeing this thread for as long as it takes to have this false accusation neutralized, so enjoy the fruits of your labor. I am ready for the long haul. How about you?
I will neutralize any false accusations right away! Did you post a PM of a user because they stopped chatting with you? Did you then lie about it? The quote is in the reference link.
I suggest everyone simply ignore you, so your threat to disrupt the forum for the "long haul" is neutralized, and we get on with our lives.
Could you do me one favor? Could you reply, denying you have ever done anything wrong, and use as many words as possible to justify your sig payment? Thx.
I posted a PM because the Hhampuz was insinuating I was PMing him abusive messages to justify his spineless behavior toward me because he was fearful of being drawn into the retribution thirsty mob of people of which you are a member. This is the same reason he refuses to comment on the situation now, he fears retribution for speaking the truth of the matter and derailing your obviously retaliatory and frivolous negative rating, on his behalf, with the truth.
Last I checked Hhampuz had me included on his trust list and had left a positive rating for me. Seems like odd behavior for some one you claim I some how in some undefined way caused damage to doesn't it Vod? Why is it that you care more about this than he does? Oh that's right, it is all you can muster to find even the most flimsy excuse for negative rating me in retribution for leaving you a perfectly justified rating for the publicly documented doxing of another user, in an obvious attempt at extorting me into removing it.
There was nothing controversial or secret about anything in the message, and the entire point of it was simply to demonstrate that we shared a friendly tone at the time. As you could see in the thread the you and the usual clowns were laying the pretext for this frivolous rating for later use by immediately trying to turn it into some crime. This whole accusation is just a sad excuse for you to get retribution, and this pathetic pretext is the best you could come up with.
I never lied about it, and your claims to that effect are yet more manipulation and deceitful accusations on your part in a pathetic attempt to try to inflate the importance of your accusations against me because you know very well they are weak as fuck. Tell me Vod, how am I "disrupting the forum" by challenging your and Nullus's obvious abuse of the trust system?
FYI, I get a flat fee for my signature with zero posting requirements. I know you are exceptionally thirsty to try to latch on to any little thing you can to impugn my character, but this is exceptionally pathetic. This isn't going to work out for you Vod, just like it didn't work out for you the last 3 or 4 times you abused the trust system against me and were forced to remove your ratings.
Now that we have covered that frivolous rating, what about the others? Do you have any substantiation whatsoever that I was "manipulating the trust?" It seems you are simply basing your accusation off of another baseless accusation from another user with clear animus against me, and nullius is basing his accusation off of yours, no one substantiating anything all through the whole process. You all sure sound like reliable unbias folk that wouldn't abuse the trust this community puts in you to retaliate and serve your own petty personal vendettas to me!
Can you name something that I've done against you Hhampuz? You've been awfully quiet in Meta for awhile now, but after going from trusting me to distrusting me without any explanation - here you are making it seem like you've been being harassed by me. Either your post is irrelevant or it's fan-fiction, can you help me pick which?
I don't lump people together in attempts to stir up drama. When I say "the ones calling "them" out" it necessarily doesn't mean you.
I've decided not to disclose why I Add/Remove/Exclude people from my trust list as someone will always be angry and send you nasty messages.
Quite convenient you never need to explain yourself because feels.
And why exactly would he have to explain himself?
Maybe because publicly he insinuated I was sending him nasty messages and privately we had perfectly friendly conversations and his public and private persona are inconsistent.
Hey there. Just wanted to maybe give you a friendly warning, this whole VOD thing is going to have fallout, he went way too far. I would advise you to disassociate yourself from him and this event. Again this is just a friendly suggestion as I see it this is going to go south pretty quick. If you would like I can talk to TeeGumes we have done trades in the past. If you were to first make a statement to the fact disassociating from this it would probably help me go a long way toward arguing for him to remove the rating. I don't agree with him leaving it, but I don't think what VOD did was at all acceptable either. Feel free to let me know what you think about all of this, or not if you want. Have a good one.
Hey Tecshare,
Thank you for reaching out, hope you are enjoying this BTC rally too!
I understand that me leaving merit to that thread may have been stupid and my judgement was clouded by my disliking of og. There is no way for me to remove merit but even if it were, as the thread stands right now, I'm not sure I would remove it. No need to argue on my behalf with teegumes, although it is much appreciated! I'll take his neg and wear it as a reminder to always think twice before taking any action here which can also be a good thing.
After beeing down and feeling shit for a couple of months I've come back now and have found joy in the small things, doing much better and will just try and be hard at work.
Again, thank you for reaching out, I appreciate it
. Hope you are doing ok, too!WOW. MUCH NASTY! SO ANGER!
With the given situation you are in the red tag Lauda gave to you is justifiable, your account is obviously created to complain about the DT system and it's probably you are one of the members who got tagged by a DT member one way or another. Based from what I have seen DT members are more lenient and understanding to high ranking members or at least the trustworthy ones since they have the balls to complain about it in their own account unlike you who just created an alt account to cover your identity. Keep in mind you are tagged because you are using an alt account that is trolling in the forum and not because you are standing up against them. You aren't even really standing up because you are just hiding in your alt account.
Is that so? Maybe some one should tell that to the 13 cult members excluding me because they don't like my criticism of their pals. I am sure the long list of people on the list no one has ever heard of are far more trustworthy. My crimes are too numerous to count after all.
I can't speak for the other 12 cult members but I excluded you after you publically posted a PM between you and Hhampuz. I don't exclude people if I disagree with them or just because I think that they are assholes.
I see, so the fact that I posted that message is more of a problem than his duplicity and inability to have a conversation like an adult. Got it. You know what would have prevented that? Him willing to have a conversation about it, instead he chose to hide like a coward rather than explain himself. The message had nothing exceptional in it other than a demonstration of his duplicitous behavior, this is just a pathetic excuse for you to virtue signal to the DT mob. There is no presumption of privacy with personal messages. If this is your standard you should exclude Suchmoon too. I am sure I could find plenty of other examples of people on your trust list that have shared PMs as well, but oh that's right you people only apply these standards to others when it serves your bias. This is just a woefully pathetic pretext for retaliation.
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We should just let him throw his temper tantrums and stop responding to his cries for attention, myself included. He's clearly put two feet down in this alternate reality of his and isn't leaving any time soon. Nobody can help him understand anything because he doesn't want to understand. The only thing we can do is just sit back and laugh at his magnificent display of douchebaggery.
Wonderful! I look forward to not having to listen to clown music every time I use the forum.
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He hasnt abused you. Id be happy to show you some abuse if you do wish. nullius is excersising his right to tag you for being a cunt. Count yourself lucky fella, close the thread and stop the attention whoring,
We should just let him throw his temper tantrums and stop responding to his cries for attention, myself included. He's clearly put two feet down in this alternate reality of his and isn't leaving any time soon. Nobody can help him understand anything because he doesn't want to understand. The only thing we can do is just sit back and laugh at his magnificent display of douchebaggery.
Wonderful! I look forward to not having to listen to clown music every time I use the forum.
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Lol, the ones you claim I sold to become a member of the mob?
My principals dictate that I refrain from engaging in personal disputes which have gotten so heated that neither side can discuss the situation reasonably and rationally. I recon this is one such situation. So, I won't be asking for anyone to substantiate anything they say in this tread, because there is very little substance to either side of the argument.
Besides, I know what you're really up to. You're trying to bully me into removing Vod from my inclusion list. Ain't gonna happen.
Heated? I have been quite civil for this thread. Funny, you thought it was appropriate to involve yourself in a heated dispute accusing me of "manipulating the trust" with zero substantiation behind it. You are just finding excuses to absolve yourself of guilt over your double standards serving your own personal bias rather than what is right or reality.
Very little substance on either side? What? Those ideas are mutually exclusive. Either the accusation is without substance and my argument is with substance, or the accusation has substance and my argument has no substance. You are literally just projecting whatever is convenient for you on to me to make excuses to ignore these obvious abuses of the trust system and avoid a discussion of the lack of facts in the matter.
You know what I am up to? Funny how many people around here can read my mind and my intent, fucking amazing. I had no idea we had so many people with telepathic powers around here. Rather convenient you can just dictate my own intent to me in order to dismiss everything I am saying isn't it? Bullying you? What are you 12? I am not bullying you into anything, I am shaming you for your double standards, there is a difference.
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Hey DireWolfM14, where are those principles now eh?
Lol, the ones you claim I sold to become a member of the mob?
My principals dictate that I refrain from engaging in personal disputes which have gotten so heated that neither side can discuss the situation reasonably and rationally. I recon this is one such situation. So, I won't be asking for anyone to substantiate anything they say in this tread, because there is very little substance to either side of the argument.
Besides, I know what you're really up to. You're trying to bully me into removing Vod from my inclusion list. Ain't gonna happen.
Heated? I have been quite civil for this thread. Funny, you thought it was appropriate to involve yourself in a heated dispute accusing me of "manipulating the trust" with zero substantiation behind it. You are just finding excuses to absolve yourself of guilt over your double standards serving your own personal bias rather than what is right or reality.
Very little substance on either side? What? Those ideas are mutually exclusive. Either the accusation is without substance and my argument is with substance, or the accusation has substance and my argument has no substance. You are literally just projecting whatever is convenient for you on to me to make excuses to ignore these obvious abuses of the trust system and avoid a discussion of the lack of facts in the matter.
You know what I am up to? Funny how many people around here can read my mind and my intent, fucking amazing. I had no idea we had so many people with telepathic powers around here. Rather convenient you can just dictate my own intent to me in order to dismiss everything I am saying isn't it? Bullying you? What are you 12? I am not bullying you into anything, I am shaming you for your double standards, there is a difference.