⭐ Merited by figmentofmyass (1)
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Noble goals, doesn't usually work that way in practice. Fake newbies just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks, some jump in with their account farms to "substantiate".
who cares if a newbie makes an unproven accusation? DT members constantly make unproven accusations around here, yet only one of the two groups has the power to ruin the other's reputation.
you're not addressing the actual problem: people can't post from their real account without fear of retaliation from DT members. therefore, expecting people to post critical views from their real accounts is flat out ridiculous. that was my point to the OP, who i doubt will post here again.
you are making it out like newbies have all the power and DT members have none. totally backwards!
I am not saying it hasn't happened. There have been many questionable tags given to users, but at the same time there have been many acceptable tags.
For example, since I used the Hhampuz thread in the op, this user had a legitimate concern. Had he asked his question with a respectful tone, and created a discussion, he would not or should not have had to fear a tag.
As suchmoon says, users use a throwaway account and toss shit at the wall and see if it sticks. Those are the posts we as a community should avoid. Defamation, rude, ulterior motivated posts meant only to stir up drama and cause chaos shouldn't be given the time of day.
@Royse777 the term bitches was correct in its use. When we tag someone just because, that's being a bitch. Multiple users, probably including myself, are guilty of this and it needs to stop.
Coming in here trying to sound cool doesn't make you cool man. Everyone thinks DT are at fault, but in reality its everyone's fault. It's also everyone's responsibility to fix it.
Step up and do your part guys/gals. Think about your tags before you give them. Think about your responses. Treat everyone with a little respect until they show they don't deserve it.
So in short, unless the user first makes the appropriate tithing to their default trust Gods by first stroking them off, or not talking to them in a tone you dictate, they have no right to raise legitimate complaints? Plenty of legitimate claims are made and dismissed based on the simple fact the accused and their supporters are upset that a legitimate complaint was made. Then people like you make excuses for it by being the tone police. Of course, the tone is the most important thing, and not the fact that there is a legitimate complaint right? I mean after all, who are these filthy plebeians who think they may approach one of the chosen and expect to be paid for their services right?
you're specifically not doing that. the topic is whether regular members can post criticism without fear of DT retaliation. you are completely sidestepping that question by claiming that every instance of such criticism is automatically meritless.
I didn't say that. Please refrain from making shit up.
your claim is obviously unprovable, and it does not address the original question in any way. like TECSHARE implied, you're trying to flip the issue on its head to take attention away from DT trust abuse and project it on powerless newbies instead.
this narrative you are trying to paint where newbies have all the power and DT members are powerless is laughable. anybody with a brain can see right through that bullshit.
this narrative you are trying to paint where newbies have all the power and DT members are powerless is laughable. anybody with a brain can see right through that bullshit.
I didn't say that either. You sure you're responding to me and not to one of your straw people?
How often does a fake newbie brought up a credible accusation that results in some sort of benefit for the forum, versus just some random drama bullshit?
this entire board is a waste of space. it's mostly DT members throwing around baseless accusations and engaging in flame wars against people they don't like. why are you fixating on newbies when highly respected DT members are constantly perpetuating this behavior?
That's because the thread is about newbies making such posts. If you want to discuss DT members - there's plenty of other threads about that.
Sockpuppeting is not going to solve DT problems. FWIW I respect e.g. TECSHARE for using his main account to rant about the "system" even if I disagree with his rants. However that doesn't make him any less of a hypocrite when he refuses to take the very same actions he expects from others. That's a major problem. We can all talk the talk (newbies or legendaries) but most are too chickenshit to walk the walk.
Let's stop encouraging sockpuppeting and start encouraging some loudmouths here to grow a backbone, or just exclude the loudmouths and build sane trust networks.
Really? Of this whole forum, I am the problem am I? I have exhibited EXORBITANT amounts of restraint in my use of the trust system. Your accusations of hypocrisy are again nothing more than projection to deflect from the behavior you excuse from your friends. You say you respect me for speaking out under my "main" (only) account, but yet you refuse to exclude those who use the trust system as a tool to punish me for doing so. Then in the same breath you accuse me of manipulating the trust system. No, you and your friends and their systematic abuse aren't the worst problem, it is me and my nebulous and undefined "hypocrisy".