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Why telegram groups over 1000 members are getting out of control
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Trade Runner
on 27/02/2020, 02:36:04 UTC
Today I entered the CoinMarketCap Group with 9750 members at the moment. I linked a new Namecoin channel, mentioning Namecoin as a currency and DNS blockchain service. As nonprofit channel and project surely no spam! At first the Combot deleted my posting automatically due to restrictions of new users, where posted links within 24 hours get blocked, even if these links are just internal to other groups:



I repeated the posting without links, noticing, that I opened right now this channel with group, which could be found just searching for "Namecoin". Then the moderator with the troll name "Crypto professor 👨🏻‍💻 CMC listings are free 🆓 I will never Dm you for funds." deleted this second posting manually. The public conversation followed:

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Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 11:15:08 CET)
Got deleted manually evidently. I'll leave this group again. Bye!

Crypto professor 👨🏻‍💻 CMC listings are free 🆓 I will never Dm you for funds. (26.02.2020 11:15:28 CET)
Great
We don’t need shillers

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 11:17:32 CET)
Well, I'm just an admin and web developer within the blockchain sector, but I see that such relevant infos are unwanted here! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Crypto professor 👨🏻‍💻 CMC listings are free 🆓 I will never Dm you for funds. (26.02.2020 11:18:37 CET)
I see you mentioning name coin

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 11:19:12 CET)
And?

Crypto professor 👨🏻‍💻 CMC listings are free 🆓 I will never Dm you for funds. (26.02.2020 11:19:31 CET)
Check the rules on the pinned message, not allowed.
You were speaking about a coin and people need to Join it.

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 11:21:37 CET)
The rules don't declare the posting of a new nonprofit channel as violation!

Crypto professor 👨🏻‍💻 CMC listings are free 🆓 I will never Dm you for funds. (26.02.2020 11:23:52 CET)



No spamming

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 11:24:53 CET)
Ok, that was the best proof that groups with over 1000 members are getting out of control! Bye!


The group rules resp. the introduction of the CMC group are clear: "This is a place where we share and educate each other on different topics in crypto and blockchain." This is exactly what I did! Another moderator with the troll name "☣ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | Says Much | Knows Little | BTC Shill | Altcoin Denier", according to the time difference evidently sitting in North America, talked to me in this public chat and posted the screenshot with "All actions" from 4'o clock in the morning his time, shown already at first in this posting. When I left the group, the discussion began in a separate chat. He couldn't resist firing the discussion again and again when I noticed clearly EOD several times after I had also deleted the chat already several times (see time stamps, excerpt):

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☣ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | Says Much | Knows Little | BTC Shill | Altcoin Denier (26.02.2020 15:27:04 CET)
No, you posted a promotion of something. Whether it was also sharing and/or educational doesnt make it non-promotional That's exactly what promotion is. Go buy promotion on the website.

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 16:59:49 CET)
Once again: I did this from the group intro: sharing infos. If you classify this as spam or promotion this is your personal interpretation, not the interpretation of the community! But finally I have to tell the community something when it comes to a discussion about CMC! And now EOD from my side! Bye!

☣️ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | Says Much | Knows Little | BTC Shill | Altcoin Denier (26.02.2020 17:00:29 CET)
The rules also state its left up to our discretion, yes
What is considered promotion or discussion is a grey area, we have to make judgement calls
There is a suggestions form in the pinned message where you can voice your opinion that the rule/s need to change, et

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 17:13:00 CET)
I don't see the necessity to change something! "Share infos, but don't spam" is the summary of the intro. That's ok. You just have to learn again the difference between illegal spam and scam on the one hand and infos or other non profit links on the other hand!

☣️ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | Says Much | Knows Little | BTC Shill | Altcoin Denier (26.02.2020 23:17:55 CET)
It's not an opinion it's the definition of a promotion you can promote something for non profit
You can promote saving the koala bears you can promote ending scamps you can promote scams it's all fucken promotion

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 23:18:54 CET)
Anyway: Promotion is not "spamming"!

☣️ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | Says Much | Knows Little | BTC Shill | Altcoin Denier (26.02.2020 23:19:30 CET)
Dude what are you trying to win here a court case

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 23:20:06 CET)
The typical spamming are postings like "earn an incredible money" and so on...

☣️ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | Says Much | Knows Little | BTC Shill | Altcoin Denier (26.02.2020 23:20:59 CET)


You were promoting that's what I saw

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 23:21:40 CET)
It's also a kind of discussion culture! What I want to discuss in my group would definitely burst your group!

☣️ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | Says Much | Knows Little | BTC Shill | Altcoin Denier (26.02.2020 23:22:02 CET)
Good then go discuss in your
You were breaking the rules and all this is is being obtuse.

Uwe Martens (26.02.2020 23:23:58 CET)
It makes absolutely no sense to start a general discussion about the internet revolution in such group with nearly 10000 members, where ten discussions are running parallel! As I said in the group: the CMC group is the best proof, that groups with more than 1000 members are getting out of control!

☣️ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | Says Much | Knows Little | BTC Shill | Altcoin Denier (26.02.2020 23:25:04 CET)



☣️ ᙢΘℝ฿𝕚ĐỬᏕ ☣️ | CMC Mod | Says Much | Knows Little | BTC Shill | Altcoin Denier (26.02.2020 23:28:17 CET)
No ship it I posted screenshots of the fucken thing To the admin channel you are ridiculous and you know you're being ridiculous


What you see here are socially and technically complete incompetent guys, sitting in the chat at 4'o clock in the morning, evidently with very much free time! Several attempts to differentiate between profiteers spam and nonprofit project discussions failed. Just the comment I would have mentioned Namecoin, for which the members would have to join something, shows the total incompetence, first as entering my newly opened group and channel doesn't require any payment of course, and second, as the whole Namecoin project is originally surely not profit orientated.

The quint-essence of the whole story: Groups with over 1000 members are getting out of control as there are permanently several discussions going on parallel. To declare to which message an answer belongs the original message has to be cited always, meanwhile 10 other fragments out of other conversations in the same thread were disturbing. The so called "moderators" with the minimal administrative rights of deleting messages and banning users are mentally and technically overstrained and the whole chat from the beginning until the end gets pure data garbage just after a few seconds. The only option for such a community is: Outsourcing the threads depending on its topic. But evidently the staff from CoinMarketCap never will get it! I forwarded the chats above to the original creator of the CMC group, a young Chinese girl with the user name "Wisteria (CMC listings are free)", with the clear note if the behavior of that "moderators" won't have any consequence, I'll publish the whole case on Bitcointalk - but no reaction! I can only recommend urgent to avoid such uncontrolled mass group chats!

See here the screenshots of the chat above (excerpt):











Hopefully this conversation had at least a little entertainment factor for the community! Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin The new Namecoin project itself I'll present here shortly in another thread.