marlboroza ask yourself - are these imbeciles really worth engaging with until they reform their character? I currently do not have either of them on IGNORE but just might have to do it if they keep going the way they are.
Asking for evidence for claims that form the basis of red tags is going the "wrong way" ?
Senior members lose nothing when newbies run from them. Debunk members statements and arguments that you are unhappy with, or simply accept you have been defeated. You should do so graciously, while being thankful for time they spent educating you.