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Board Politics & Society
Re: Bernie Sanders is the Frontrunner for the Dems
by
Viper1
on 01/03/2020, 18:50:51 UTC
My main point is that arguments like 'Bernie is Socialist and Nazis were Socialist, therefore....' are not valid arguments.  Instead of focusing on the labels, you should take an objective look at his proposals.
Sorry, but the stories my grandparents would tell me about what was going on in Germany prior to when they fled means that when I see more than just the typical policy debates going on, I know it's time to take a closer look at things and not bury ones head in the sand. He's clearly using that socialist label for a reason that makes zero sense which means it needs to be looked into and seriously considered. The movement on Bernie's side feels far different than what happened with Trump. I'm far more concerned about Bernie and his supporters at this point than I am about Trump and that's saying something.


I know Capitalists consider themselves 'anti-socialist' and all flavors of Socialists consider themselves 'ant-capitalist', but in reality Socialism and Capitalism aren't binaries.  They are opposite ends of a spectrum, and every first world country in the world has a combination of Socialist and Capitalist policies.
No. Just no. There is no capitalism in socialism. Period. Forms of socialism have developed to include capitalism. In the US and many other countries, it's more accurate to say that capitalism has developed to include some socialism. "Everyone" wants some level of social programs. What's happening though is that there is a movement to fundamentally shift the current balance and flip it to more predominantly socialism. You can either just ignore it and let it happen or you can make a conscious decision to support it or not taking into account the possible long term ramifications.