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I could be totally wrong here, but typically the people on team 'china is lying' is right, so I'll just go over there

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no country knows the true stats of any country truely.
this is because not everyone is tested.
also some people who stay home when having mild symptoms may progress to respiratory distress and die at home, unrecorded.
this is the case for all countries
how every most countries including china have a policy that those entering hospital due to respiratory distress will be tested. and if it tests positive for corona. its recorded as such. and if they die due to respiratory issues not subsiding. its recorded as such
so its not a lie. its a lack of info. and its the same case for all countries