Re: PSA: Download from bitcoincore.org, not bitcoin-dot-org. (E tu, Cøbra?)
You should download Bitcoin Core only from https://bitcoincore.org. Please stop giving bad information on Core related matters. Thanks.
Unfortunately you are giving bad advice here. You shouldn't trust a particular domain name to download Bitcoin Core at all, not bitcoin.org, or bitcoincore.org, or Github. You can download Bitcoin Core from just about anywhere safely, so long as you verify the signatures are valid, something I always urge users to do. Don't trust particular domain names, ever.
I have made the mistake of referring newbies to bitcoin-dot-org, because it is more newbie-friendly (i.e., glitzy Web 2.0 style that breaks in my browser) than good old-fashioned bitcoincore.org.
I myself will STOP DOING THAT.
For years, for my own purposes, I have depended primarily on bitcoincore.org (onion) and the Github site for code, plus bitcoin-dev and this forum for information. Observe that the Github project links to bitcoincore.org, not bitcoin.org.
I myself will STOP DOING THAT.
For years, for my own purposes, I have depended primarily on bitcoincore.org (onion) and the Github site for code, plus bitcoin-dev and this forum for information. Observe that the Github project links to bitcoincore.org, not bitcoin.org.
Why did you cut from your quotation the part where I said this?
Of course, it does not matter where you get your download, if you verify the integrity of your download using strong cryptography. But let’s start by referring people to the download site that is actually run by Core.
That was edited in; but that edit was done within a few minutes after I posted, long before your reply. (I also wanted to add links to two of my favourite websites, Gitian and Reproducible Builds, but figured that may overwhelm nontechnical people who are just looking for the place to download Bitcoin.)
I question your judgement directing newbies to bitcoincore.org, a plain site with no real information about what Bitcoin actually is.
It offers the best place for people to download Bitcoin Core.
As a practical matter, I have spent 20+ years fighting to get people to actually verify digital signatures, etc. I have been pushing that particular issue since long before Bitcoin even existed. I know that people do not actually verify things; therefore, it is important to minimize potential damage by referring people to a better source which, by the way, has better information than bitcoin-dot-org does on verifying downloads. See the link in my above quote about verifying the integrity of downloads.
There are plenty of good resources for newbies, bitcoincore.org definitely isn't one of them. Personally I find bitcoin.org the best for newbies, since it's well established, translated into a ton of languages, guides users through a linear process to learn about Bitcoin, has a good wallet picker to point users to the right wallet based on their needs, etc.
What guarantees that bitcoin-dot-org will stay the same tomorrow? Your personal integrity alone?
It's funny to hint I'm malicious or untrustworthy, despite managing these domains for years without any wrongdoing. I remember when these same people were hinting at me eventually turning bitcoin.org into a Bitcoin Cash site, yet it never happened, but it didn't stop them scaremongering and screaming about it like it was inevitable. Now here people are, hinting at some vague notion of me being untrustworthy, despite me safely and without incident handing the domain over to theymos. I think this is a problem with some people on this forum in general, they just assume everyone is malicious and some scammer, unless said user is in their clique.
Please advise: If you yourself were not Cøbra, then would you trust this person to be the exclusive trusted party in control of the Bitcoin.org domain? That is pretty much a yes-or-no question. Be objective here.
Just e.g., from an imgur album, “Uploaded Jul 26 2018”. Thanks to an anonymous little birdie for the tip.
The truth is, while you are spinning up nonsense and trying to spook people and smearing bitcoin.org's reputation, we are educating tens of thousands of new users each day. Millions of users learn about Bitcoin with us yearly, we send so much traffic to exchanges and wallets it's ridiculous, all of which translates into expanding the Bitcoin community. When you measure the objective good Bitcoin.org has done for Bitcoin over many years, it becomes really hard to trash it. You can find flaws in the best of people, MLK was a plagiarist, Gandhi was a racist in his youth, Mandela literally blew up civilians, but judgements about people and entities are generally done by subtracting some abstract idea of total good by total bad.
I question the judgment of anybody who thinks that that’s a good argument in your favour; but anyway...
Would you want for Bitcoin.org to be under the exclusive, trusted control of a single individual with the history of public statements that you have made, if you were not that individual?
You could do much for Bitcoin (and for your own reputation) by answering that question honestly, and acting accordingly.
With respect to Greg's comments, I don't really know what he's hinting at either. My interactions with Greg have bounced between courteous and hostile over the years. I'm really confused by his response. I would hazard a guess that he generally doesn't trust me, and that he prefers bitcoin.org be owned by someone he's associated more intimately with.
I would hazard a guess that many people would prefer for bitcoin.org to be not exclusively under your control.
Bitcoin.org Domain Ownership #2548
https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/issues/2548#issuecomment-408711051
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chek2fire commented Jul 29, 2018
