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Re: On the proper handling of translations
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wolwoo
on 22/04/2020, 14:53:08 UTC
note: I made the source part more obvious.
If you've used 3 different sources, it is better to show which data came from which source, for instance by adding a 1, 2 or 3 with a link with the lines in your table.

I think that you misunderstood.  wolwoo essentially made a Turkish version of a post by another user, CryptoYar, in an English-language forum.  The substantial information, including the three source links, is presented by wolwoo as in CryptoYar’s post.  wolwoo identified CryptoYar by name, and linked to CryptoYar’s post.  This is near the end of wolwoo’s post:

KAYNAK LİNK: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5237828.0 konusundan alıntıdır. @CryptoYar isimli üyeye teşekkürler....



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5240226.new#new

so is there "plagiarism" on the page above?
(Better link to the post in question.)

In my opinion, no.

It seems to me that you did a sort of translation, although there was not much to translate insofar as the main substance of the post consists of names, dates, and numbers.  You partly translated the original topic title.  You omitted the only substantial text outside the table of information, at the beginning:

Some people hold their crypto assets on exchanges, it is very dangerous, previously many exchanges have been hacked.
I advise You should keep your crypto assets in your personal wallet because the exchange is not safe.

If you want to do this right, I suggest just doing a straight-up translation (including that prefatory text), and beginning your post with a notice similar to what translators have prepended to translations of my posts—including making the author’s name a link to his profile (or an otherwise appropriate link, for sources outside the forum).  For example:

Subject:  Bitcoin: Bir Sosyal Fenomen
Yazar: nullius
Orjinal konu: Bitcoin: The Social Phenomenon



[...complete translation of the whole post...]

It is not only mindrust; I quote that because it is the Turkish version.  You can see the same or similar format used in Russian, Romanian (where the translator added a longer preface), Croatian, Indonesian, Filipino, and for another essay, Hindi.  I have also seen the same format in forum translations of posts by other original authors.  It seems standard and customary.

It is also a standard courtesy to contact the author of a post before using his work, request his permission, and work with him to handle the translation of any difficult content (probably not an issue here).  Many authors will be pleased to receive such communications—not all, but many.  I know that for my part, I much appreciate it when a competent translator wants to bring my work to another language!

I don't want to be accused of plagiarism

I doubt that you will be, given that you identified the author by name, you linked to his post, and (insofar as I can see in your Turkish post) you did not imply that you produced this work yourself.  I make the foregoing suggested improvements because it seems you really want to do this right.

Plagiarism is a matter of stealing credit for another’s work.  If an ordinary reasonable person reading your post would not assume that you wrote it yourself, and would not think that you claimed to write it yourself, then I do not think that you plagiarized the other post.


thank you for your interest and detailed explanations


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today a Turkish user said he was banned for spam-plagiarism
where can we find out exactly why? he wants to appeal.

selamlar,
gerçek hesabımın adı coinforumgentr.

bugün foruma giriş yaptığımda hesabım spam yada plagarism sebebi ile banlandığını gördüm.
bu kadar kolay nasıl ban atılıyor anlamış değilim.
Mail attım ve EFS'Yede özel mesaj gönderdim.

konu hakkında bilgisi olan arkadaş var mı? bu banı nasıl açtırabilirim.
kurallara dikkat ediyorum normalde ama hata ile gözden bir şey kaçırdıysamda bu kadar kolay hesap kapatılmamalı.
3 yıllık hesap ve neredeyse hergün giriş yapıyordum foruma. Sad


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greetings,
my real account name is coinforumgentr [/ b].

When I logged into the forum today, I saw that my account was banned due to spam or plagarism.
I do not understand how easy it is to ban.
I sent an e-mail and sent a private message to EFS.

Do you have friends who have knowledge about the subject? How can I get this ban open.
I pay attention to the rules normally, but if I missed something with the error, it should not be so easy to close the account.
I was logging in to the forum for 3 years and almost everyday. Sad