Yeah, sometimes memories can start to fade, and after further mauling over the situation, I recall that there were some things that I left out.

For example, many folks who were somewhat paying attention to the introduction of segwit as a possible BIG blocker solution and even compromise would have recalled that in around November/December 2015 Peter Wuille had proposed segwit as a possible compromise, and he got many praises across the sides of the isle, and even Luke Jr. had proposed that segwit could be accomplished via softfork rather than hardfork, which also seemed brilliant and received a lot of praise.

So coding took a few months and then testing started in around second quarter 2016, and sure there were some complaints brewing up regarding how long it was taking to get segwit, yet it still took some time for the anti-seqwit passions to really build and largely showed that a lot of the anti-segwit passion was fabricated bullshit.

Anyhow, I don't feel that I necessarily need to go into more details because I believe that I painted the matter in broad enough strokes, and it is NOT like getting into the weeds is really going to help very much, even though sometimes if we would be attempting to deal with a specific situation that is in front of us, sometimes we will need to get more into the weeds to really discuss it and sometimes the back and forth can also help to hone some arguments or at least to refresh some memories, too.

So, even if there have been a lot of seeming generalizations batted around by categorizing purported political camps in bitcoin, sometimes some specifics might be necessary to call some of the generalizations into question.... so surely, in any case, if we consider segwit as good or bad, we might tailor our views accordingly, and perhaps part of my criticism of Cøbra has evolved into an impression that he is one of the whiners in terms of his having difficulties accepting segwit as a valid transition that had already happened nearly three years ago in bitcoin.. with of course, subsequent and ongoing building upon that nearly 3 year ago transition that has value and establishes our messy bitcoin in its current state of "as is" rather than wishing it to be something that it is not.