If altcoins aren't dependants on Bitcoin price or value one altcoin would have over throne Bitcoin, if it was a different story that altcoins don't rely on Bitcoin bullrun I believe Bitcoin won't be the 1st today, am I wrong or right?
At some point, you will always wonder about that. Very possible in the long run, but definitely not today, specially that bitcoin is still on top for years to come!
Exactly, people against altcoins do always forget how much time it took for bitcoin to climb that price.
Meanwhile most of alts are showing better results already and growing tempo, but most of us are staying ignorant to this