What coins are you talking about  . If you look at the major altcoin market they all move according to the bitcoin market and then there are other shit coins that pumps and dumps all the day and you cannot even compare them and view that as a good sign, when regulations set in we might not see those pump and dump coins.

There were times in the past when coins like ETH, Dash and some other top coins all move higher without the help of bitcoin and they have reached a limit and right now it is hard to see a separate rally in any coin until there is any fundamental changes that will attract the investors.