I need to try and return some sanity to this thread.

Glendale, I'm sorry for your loss but it's tiny compared to many other people. Some of the bigger losers know what the deal is and understand that ukyo did not steal or misuse the money. They have not taken legal action as a result. I can't reiterate this enough. Yet you keep posting every day, always using the thief line despite the fact that numerous other things could have happened (and did happen according to those who know).

As for conspiracy theories about pay offs, here is why that doesn't work. If several people are owed a lot of money, and some are owed way more than I am, then there is no possible way they can be paid off. The only pay off anyone would accept is being fully or near fully repaid, or a % all creditors get. If the large creditors can be fully or even mostly repaid, the small creditors would certainly have been fully or mostly paid because the relative amount is negligible. It would also be dubious legally and expose those paid to significant risk so there is no possible way an unfair distribution of funds would happen. It would come out and all hell would break lose, let alone that I certainly wouldn't accept it morally.

It simply makes no sense. You think ukyo wants all this happening, that he wants a handful creditors posting about him every day? You think any of us want any of this? I just want us all repaid, end of story. In the end, however, we all risked our money on a third party wallet and got fucked, just like many others have. The difference here is ukyo has promised to try and get money back, which none of the others have done. Zero. Nada. Danny and others have seen enough to be convinced that this is true. Ukyo is black marked until he does this. He could have chosen the easy route which was to say it's all gone and that's it, as others have, but he didn't.

If those people thought ukyo guilty of anything shitty he would be covered in lawyers quick time. I don't mess about here and I'm sure others don't either. I made that very clear when this started. Tat even told me off for it! Ukyo fucked up by getting into this situ so I was and am and pissed about that to say the least, but that doesn't change the situ. Suing his arse won't either. He needs time to try and find a way to return our money. There is no alternative.

As for Danny, he tried to help ukyo but it wasn't something that could be done quickly in the end. He still wishes to spend time helping out but he's currently doing 18 hours days on Neo. Danny is owed rather more than 1 btc let's say. If anyone had cause to see the book thrown at ukyo, it's him.

As for the lack of information - that's something I'm unable to comment on. It's frustrating but I understand the reasons why. This is not down to me but it is what it is. I'm restricted by the law whether I want to be or not.

I've said all along that if you need to, you can lawyer up. If you lawyer up, it's not to have him arrested because it ain't gonna happen and you'll be throwing money away. You lawyer up to try and have your lawyer initiate a conversation about what happened. Only then do you take things into consideration before deciding your next move.

You don't need to know ukyo's lawyer, you contact him directly. It's not like his details aren't everywhere. He has done no runner. He's online regularly in multiple places, just not posting on this forum. He's talking regularly with people who can be reasonable and trustworthy rather than abusive. If I ever cease to believe him to be progressing on anything useful for us, I'll push for the truth to come out at least and I would also say so anyway.

The whole situation sucks. I went through weeks of sleepless nights about it but you have to move on. If this gets sorted then great, if it doesn't then the facts will come out for sure but they won't get any money back or make anyone feel any better. And they won't see ukyo arrested for theft either.

As for the gox comparisons - ukyo has been fully open with Danny, even going to cyprus in person. Gox still haven't been fully open with anyone. So individual's judgement calls are being made based on a lot more facts than in the gox case. Whether that actually makes it better as a result is another matter, I just wanted to explain how the reasoning took place (personally, I needed third party confirmation from Danny, Danny needed to see more details and meet ukyo in person).

I still don't know whether anything will come of this. I just know that I believe ukyo to have acted honestly through out. At fault in some way for sure, but not guilty of impropriety. I have no interest taking legal action unless I have reason to believe contrary to this.