Involuntary takings are theft regardless of who is doing the taking.
Or how.
Taxation.
Taxation and theft are of two different categories...
Also, I would NOT categorize taxation as an involuntary taking.... ... even though there are some difficulties in electing within which society (community) and set up that we want to live. The role of government tends to be a complicated topic... and such topic has been especially inflammatory from time to time....
Oh yeah, and theft within the government can be quite complicated as well.... yet mostly different from the kinds of thefts going on in bitcoin circles.
We have a fundamental difference in outlook. It is a commonly believed lie that if the group of people have a certain cloak of legitimacy and do the taking ostensibly for the benefit of the victims and go by a certain "transparent" process that such involuntary takings are not in fact theft. All this means is that it is a successful theft, not something else. I will not budge on this. If I am imprisoned and I eat the prison cafeteria food to keep from starving, it does not mean I volunteer to be imprisoned. I do not consent.
I don't see any problem with agreeing to disagree. It seems that i already addressed this in my other post.. (
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg5614843#msg5614843).
So it is likely that we would be repeating ourselves and NOT getting anywhere to pursue such a conversation.
I understand that it can be difficult to make changes in law or society - especially, the larger the community. Don't get me wrong, I do NOT appreciate having certain rule imposed upon me; however, I try to find ways in which I can accept and live in harmony without proclaiming that the government is some alien entity that is separated from my human interests. Personally, if I were to pick one thing that irritates me the most about government is NOT the concept of taxes, but instead it is the fact that money has too much influenced government and those with a lot of money are NOT paying their fair share of taxes. Accordingly, regular people have to pay more taxes b/c of the money corruption that has infiltrated into the most recent government(s)... worse in the past 20 years or so.