Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

oh really? So corporate welfare is not free riding or do you think they can't afford to pay either? Billionaire I.P. monopolists like software companies, movie studios and music moguls who use my tax money to enforce their copyright, trademark and patent claims aren't also free riders?

so I'm either ramming my charitable deeds up your ass or I'm uncharitable. I can't win with you, can I? The truth is you need to think I'm a contemptible person because that justifies stealing from me. This is the kind of dynamic that Statism engenders. It's a counter-civilization force. This is not civil discourse.

And you need to think that I am some government hypnotized sheep to avoid having to actually answer the question, when really I believe that government, especially in it's current incarnation, sucks balls. I'm just not nearly as convinced as you are that magical mystical libertarian land is going to be this god-send solution to the problem.

The fact is, if you're going to use the whole "voluntary donations" argument, then please tell me who is going to be donating, because I'm pretty damn sure it's not going to be the people who equate taxes with robbery such as you, regardless of whether their comparison is correct.

The donators will be a mix of genuine altruists and people seeking status as philanthropists, no doubt.

One thing I will say about you vs. a lot of libertarians is at least you flat out admit it's about the money. Most use their ideals as an excuse, you're not trying to kid anybody.

Of course, some of them generally hold the ideal that giving government money is bad, but I think those people would much more readily take the "buyout" theoretical offer I put on the table. At least then you know where the money is going, I suppose.

Octaft:

I believe that you are giving Billyjoeallen much more credit than he merits. I have nothing against Billyjoeallen as a person and I am sure that he is representing ideas that are shared by others; however, he is discussing matters in such a pie in the sky world that it is very difficult to take the various arguments and proposals seriously.

Nah, I gave him just the right amount of credit. He did indeed say it was about the money. It doesn't make me agree with him, but I am acknowledging that he did mention that the money was the most important part to him.