You are saying that situation 1 and situation 2 are clearly similar and that this should be the point of our discussion.. for me to supposedly need to defend why situation 2 is different from situation 1. I think that it is illogical and silly for me to have to argue with some silly notion that these two situations are the same, when clearly, they are NOT the same - even though both situations make you feel the same way.. robbed.
I think the only possible germane difference is the party demanding the funds.
YES!!!!! Germane and essential. Creates a whole different set of facts, meanings and outcomes. It is like having sex by oneself or with someone else. In the second situation, with someone else, we complicated circumstances and the potential of making a baby. The second situation is materially different from the first, even though the two situations may feel similar.
A community acting to get you to pay your fair share contribution into the community is NOT the same as someone taking money from you
The critical terms here are "community" and "fair share". If I can't opt out, it's not a community, its a gang.
Again, reverting into bad logic when coming to the belief the community is ganging up on you.
Also, "fair share" is very much up for debate. If the "community" decides that a "fair share" is 100%, are you cool with that?
Yes. These kinds of discussions are had all of the time concerning fair share. We have had times in fairly recent US history in which the marginal tax rate was more than 90% for the wealthiest among us. There are various factors that go into considering tax rates, and maybe circumstances may require 100%, but likely very rare circumstances. You are creating very extreme scenarios if you are suggesting that 100% would be or should be accepted as normal. Personally, I am of the sense that the very wealthy in the american society (the top 1-5%) have NOT been paying their fair share of taxes, and that is a very significant reason why a large number of americans are currently being screwed and gouged in a variety of ways. Also the very wealthy have been receiving various subsidies that they do NOT deserve... and are leaching off of the american people and that is also a very significant reason why a large number of americans are currently being screwed and gouged in a variety of ways.