Thanks, guys.. as I understood:

Segwit type:

codification BIP 32 in electrum: derivation path BIP141

codification bip 39 in others: derivation path BIP84

I did two things:

I bought two cryptoSteel Capsule

1: XPRV (111 characters)
2: 12 words, (BIP332), Electrum.

just to be sure