Thanks. That's what I was afraid of. None of the 3070ti's or 3080ti's are marked as LHR or KL or V2,
so even the KRs and V1s are LHR. That's deceptive.
I have been spot buying hp pcs for the fe cards.
and i grab 3090s.
I got some good pavillion pc with 3060ti selling just the pc on ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/165051454826?these were 1150 with the 3060ti