yea i know you dont want to talk about bolt 7 and 4, because then it means coming out of your bolt 2&3 box
Except for the part where Rath_ definitely has spoken about bolt07 and bolt04 and explained to you why they don't mean what you think they mean. Here it is again as you appear to have missed it:
All of the "routing" messages (type-wise) are described in
bolt07 (P2P Node and Channel Discovery).
bolt07 messages: announcement_signatures, channel_announcement, node_announcement, query_short_channel_ids/reply_short_channel_ids_end, channel_update, query_channel_range/reply_channel_range
Their types are: 259, 256, 257, 261, 258, 263, 264 respectively.
None of these messages include "onion_routing_packet", "hop_data" or any other routing instructions.
bolt4 does not contain any (bolt1 formatted) messages. It describes their payloads.
Also, I'm still waiting on a response on my previous post about consensus. Kindly answer some of my questions before you attempt to add more of your own.