Well a ponzi would not be a ponzi unless the owner steal the money of the investors. So to say that these are ponzi games is not really accurate
Would you like to define what Ponzi games exactly according to you. You said "a ponzi would not be a ponzi unless the owner steal the money of the investors." IMHO A ponzi is more then using someone else's money to pay someone The term you are referring to " the woner steal the money " is called SCAM it has nothing to do with calling it ponzi..!
and one more thing..! the economy of this planet is a ponzi..! Just money cycling from one hands to another if you look at bigger picture.