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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
by
Arriemoller
on 08/03/2022, 22:17:58 UTC
Are we so brainwashed we support local censorship but condemn Russians for doing the same?  Are we so brainwashed we call Putin's acts inhumane but we support hatred against average Russians who have nothing to do with this?  I have no idea.  One thing is sure, we are being lied one way or another.  Orwell was right.  We are currently living in his world without a doubt.  If someone has a contradictory argument, please come up and write it down.  I am really too confused by what is going on to understand what is good and bad anymore.

You've fallen into the trap of false equivalence.

Putin's regime attacked an independent country, lied about "military exercises" / no intention to attack Ukraine / "special operation" / not targeting civilians; threatened with nuclear weapons; persecutes, beats up, arrests people for merely saying "no to war", and that's just off the top of my head for the last couple of weeks.

Ukrainian government possibly lied about their losses in the war.

Same thing?

Surely some kremlintroll will be around soon to tell me that some Ukrainian lied about something else too. Also the US invaded countries. Et cetera. Whataboutism is a favorite tool of Soviet propaganda, very easy to use and quite effective on a mass scale.

Then there is this whole "average Russians" thing. I don't know who's telling you to hate them but you shouldn't. Average Russians are victims of the regime too.


I struggle with the whataboutism, sure, ethically you cannot justify littering just because you saw someone else do it. But in a competitive environment that simply doesn't work, and the appropriate term for such action is preferential treatment/discrimination, and it just gives an unfair advantage to one side. For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law e.g. Coworker comes in late all the time, but the first time you come in 15min late to work you get written up/reprimanded. Or your team gets a fault for doing exactly the same thing that the opposing team was allowed to do the whole game. Or your kids test gets marked down for the same mistakes that all of the other kids got away with ...

As to your other angle, it all comes down to perspectives or frames of reference if you wish. One side tries to frame the conflict in terms of a separate, individual localized incident where Russia out of the blue attacks small Ukraine for a land grab. Very easy to argue for Ukraine as a victim and dismiss Russia with crazy Putin as a big bad aggressor, pretty clear cut whats good and bad.

But taking a step back and looking at a bigger picture you realize that suddenly things are not so simple, and some things don't make sense at all. Clearly by officially providing live intel and 17,000 anti-tank missiles and 2,000 stinger anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine makes it a proxy war for superpowers with Ukraine stuck in the middle. Now this is where things get very nuanced, not so black and white, and now whats good and whats bad isn't so clear anymore. Just because things are complicated doesn't make Russia right, but people start thinking, and this is not the field mass media and people with agenda, want to play on.

It's not a proxy war if one of the partys takes an active part in the fighting.

Ukraine is not "stuck in the middle" It'being invaded and actively begging the world to send weapons and soldiers. And the world is responding, you can add 5000 AT-4s from Sweden to the list.