For anyone who wonders about it, 20 minutes talking in an office is only time for a big bribe, not time to significantly impress a skeptic that the business operation is on the up n up. Especially without visiting any sort of manufacturing facility.
Personally, I think this is the worst thing that could happen to the community. I watched this happen, the "price" that AMT_ put on Phin's head, the sudden 180 Phin made almost directly after that, the friendly talk to and fro and the video. It is kind of sickening, really. And scary.
Brilliant tactics, I have to admit (divide et impera and all that) but scary nonetheless.
I still don't think AMT_ is a fraudulent operation, albeit they do possess certain qualities thereof. I just think they went in over their heads. Now they're doing patchwork (giving mblackout their miner, "convincing" Phin it's all allright) -which is a classic sign of the lack of business knowledge, take out the critic instead of address the reason for the criticism- but they're still not shipping miners. Nor are they refunding (we demanded a refund two weeks ago, and the only answer was "sorry no refunds your miner will ship this week -which was two weeks ago
)They're answering some questions on the forum, but nothing concrete. So, still, nothing's changed, really.
Who will stand up and take Phin's position?
That video creeped me out. Till I hear directly from Bruno, I'm withholding judgment altogether.
I'm sorry to say, but I called it. However it panned out this is exactly what I thought would be the end result. I was still hoping it wouldn't but.. feel bad for you guys.
Phin, there is no reason for you to travel there. It's 2014 and they should be able to UPDATE EVERYONE on the internet or these forums. I am concered they will either be wasting your time, trying to pay you off for your endorsement (i know you would never do that), and generally I'm concerned about your safety if you intend on meeting these folks.
You dug into their personal, albeit, tainted history: and I would think twice about putting yourself at risk.
Personally I think its not about silencing him by paying him off, the greater risk is that they will try and discredit him in some way. I trust he's wiley enough but its a possibility.
Maybe. I think it's just as likely they finally got their shit together and have managed to get a couple units produced that they can show off. Only a few of course, as they just finished shipping out all the units for the day. Hopefully Phin can be forceful in getting something resembling proof to back up their claim of ~150 units shipped already.
I'm gonna say its an elaborate ruse to discredit Phinnaeus. I'll just put it out there. I wouldn't touch their BTC if I wasn't a customer. Sure go see them. But whatever happens there will be his word against theirs.
If there is anyone who lives nearby I'd get as many people to hang around there at the time.
No. I am sure the goal is to discredit him somehow. Phinneaus is active in quite a few interrelated threads exposing scams and probably causing a few noses to be put out of joint, even causing some disruption in sales or increase in refund requests. You know the saying there is no such thing as bad press? Not so sure when it comes to pre order Asics. 
Phinn, sorry man but you shouldn't have had that second bowl.
