⭐ Merited by suchmoon (1)
Hello folks,
I would never believe that I would witness such ignorance, resulting in multiple risks for bitcointalk users and several blatant DT abuses from a DT1 member.
This screams to me that not matter how hard you built your trust, if you don’t know such basic inner workings of this forum, you don’t belong on this end of the DT ladder as you can inadvertently do more harm than good.
If you do know how things work down here and did it knowingly, then it’s even worse.
krogothmanhattan (DT1) has an alt account, krogoth (DT2
).
I’ll refer to the user behind both profiles as “krog”
1/ Default Trust abuse
krog is abusing the Trust system.
Main account is in DT1 and the other in DT2, user ends up with “2 inclusion votes” for the Trust system.
This is unfair towards the rest of the forum users.
(https://loyce.club/trust/2022-03-19_Sat_05.10h/181253.html)
(https://loyce.club/trust/2022-03-19_Sat_05.10h/1000199.html)
What’s the reasoning behind giving a Trust inclusion to his alt from his main, and another Trust inclusion to his main from his alt ?
Both accounts are currently in DT… Wonderful Can I do that as well ? 
krog is also abusing the feedback system as he left himself a positive feedback from his DT1 account to his alt.
This results in an artificially pumped feedback score on his alt account.
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=181253)
WHY does krog intentionally make his ALT account look more trusted than it is ? ? ?
This feedback should have been neutral like johnyUA’s one.
Doing so defies the purpose of using an alt as this alt is used for trading purposes.
In this situation, If the alt account is compromised because the user logged in from a compromised network/device (which is the “purpose” of an alt really);
it is nearly as bad as if the main account was compromised.
If you are a “trusted” user around here, what is the purpose of using an alt account on Bitcointalk ?
Well it’s to mitigate the risk of other users getting scammed by your negligence when you’re about to login on a compromised network/device.
krog, care to explain your thought process ?
You should have already taken the steps so your alt does not end up in DT2.
2/ Using both accounts to Trust exclude a single user
Well, this speaks of itself :
(https://loyce.club/trust/2022-03-19_Sat_05.10h/140827.html)
I’m at a loss of words.
Can I do that as well ?
3/ Cypher Hodl
MULTISIG/SHAMIRS SECRET COIN WITH TWO HOLOGRAMS
One Bitcoin value, two holograms and two seperate private keys utilizing Shamirs secret
multi sig 2 of 3. The idea is to peel one and give to a second party and in order for this coin to
be redeemed both private keys need to be used.
[/center]
Very cool coin ! I love the idea.
But .. Shamir’s secret and multi-sig 2-of-3 ? Never heard of such tech stack.
Some other users explained to krog that these two algorithms are different things.
Yet, accuracy seems not to matter to this user.
This thread will provide you more insight into krog’s knowledge (rather ignorance really ) of the technology he’s such a wizard in :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5379878
(https://archive.fo/V520M)
It’s easy bashing a project, don’t get me wrong this is not my goal here.
Actually I enthusiastically look at new projects in this area, curious to see what it will become.
But in this case, I cannot keep my concerns for myself, I am really not at ease regarding user’s funds safety.
There is no room for technical inaccuracies when you do the business this user does : sell private keys generated by him.
This is solely a warning regarding what I witnessed, and since this thread is about krog’s reputation, let’s get to the bottom …
4/ An “interested” friendship
We had some great talks at first but things went downhill at some point.
Spent countless hours explaining techy stuff to him :
However I don’t see what I did to him to deserve the treatment he gave me.
This is going to be word against word, but at that point I bailed out :
Around september 2020, krog approached me to produce a large batch of paper wallets, several hundreds.
I told him that I don’t want to stick security holograms on such a large quantity, so he needs to fly to me so he can stick them, but instead he asked me to ship the paper wallets to him, private key exposed, “with a premium courier”.
I don’t think krog realizes the implactions of doing so.
(does anyone remember the user gravitate ? )
There are ALWAYS two sides to every story. but here is mine.
This was the last straw for me.
While I was dealing with depression for around a year, this user did not hesitate to rip off my innovation.
(Yeah, I sent him a test unit of my concept when i made it, so he can be part of the tests among other forum users, for this new innovation. What was I thinking LOL)
I’ve never been “done” by a “friend” in such a way.
Innovative for sure ! We never stop learning in life.
He told me minerjones and anonymousminer were bullies, I just realize now that in fact he was talking about himself.
Damn I if could get into Bezos’ dick shuttle, I’d use that to get there even faster.
I believe that krog is dangerous as he puts other’s people funds at risk, demonstrating he has no clue about what he’s dealing with.
(both regarding his lack of technical knowledge around his project and his nonchalance towards DT / taking steps so his alt account created “FOR UNSECURE CONNECTIONS” is DT2 )
Heck I’d even have more trust into Ballet wallets.
I do not understand what I have I done to deserve such treatment from this user.
After seeing several demonstrations from this user, it is quite obvious that not only would not trust them, I also tend to seek to prevent other users from possibly losing their BTC.
I mean, he is more than trustworthy when it comes to buying or selling an item, or even escrowing funds for other users, but this is not what my point is about.
Thank you everyone.
I would never believe that I would witness such ignorance, resulting in multiple risks for bitcointalk users and several blatant DT abuses from a DT1 member.
This screams to me that not matter how hard you built your trust, if you don’t know such basic inner workings of this forum, you don’t belong on this end of the DT ladder as you can inadvertently do more harm than good.
If you do know how things work down here and did it knowingly, then it’s even worse.
krogothmanhattan (DT1) has an alt account, krogoth (DT2
).I’ll refer to the user behind both profiles as “krog”
1/ Default Trust abuse
krog is abusing the Trust system.
Main account is in DT1 and the other in DT2, user ends up with “2 inclusion votes” for the Trust system.
This is unfair towards the rest of the forum users.
(https://loyce.club/trust/2022-03-19_Sat_05.10h/181253.html)
(https://loyce.club/trust/2022-03-19_Sat_05.10h/1000199.html)
What’s the reasoning behind giving a Trust inclusion to his alt from his main, and another Trust inclusion to his main from his alt ?
Both accounts are currently in DT… Wonderful
Can I do that as well ? krog is also abusing the feedback system as he left himself a positive feedback from his DT1 account to his alt.
This results in an artificially pumped feedback score on his alt account.
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=181253)
WHY does krog intentionally make his ALT account look more trusted than it is ? ? ?
This feedback should have been neutral like johnyUA’s one.
Doing so defies the purpose of using an alt as this alt is used for trading purposes.
In this situation, If the alt account is compromised because the user logged in from a compromised network/device (which is the “purpose” of an alt really);
it is nearly as bad as if the main account was compromised.
If you are a “trusted” user around here, what is the purpose of using an alt account on Bitcointalk ?
Well it’s to mitigate the risk of other users getting scammed by your negligence when you’re about to login on a compromised network/device.
krog, care to explain your thought process ?
You should have already taken the steps so your alt does not end up in DT2.
2/ Using both accounts to Trust exclude a single user
Well, this speaks of itself :
(https://loyce.club/trust/2022-03-19_Sat_05.10h/140827.html)
I’m at a loss of words.
Can I do that as well ?
3/ Cypher Hodl
MULTISIG/SHAMIRS SECRET COIN WITH TWO HOLOGRAMS
One Bitcoin value, two holograms and two seperate private keys utilizing Shamirs secret
multi sig 2 of 3. The idea is to peel one and give to a second party and in order for this coin to
be redeemed both private keys need to be used.
[/center]
Very cool coin ! I love the idea.
But .. Shamir’s secret and multi-sig 2-of-3 ? Never heard of such tech stack.
Some other users explained to krog that these two algorithms are different things.
Yet, accuracy seems not to matter to this user.
This thread will provide you more insight into krog’s knowledge (rather ignorance really
) of the technology he’s such a wizard in : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5379878
(https://archive.fo/V520M)
It’s easy bashing a project, don’t get me wrong this is not my goal here.
Actually I enthusiastically look at new projects in this area, curious to see what it will become.
But in this case, I cannot keep my concerns for myself, I am really not at ease regarding user’s funds safety.
There is no room for technical inaccuracies when you do the business this user does : sell private keys generated by him.
This is solely a warning regarding what I witnessed, and since this thread is about krog’s reputation, let’s get to the bottom …
4/ An “interested” friendship
We had some great talks at first but things went downhill at some point.
Spent countless hours explaining techy stuff to him :
Thankyou Yogg for showing me the path to enlightenment! 
(https://archive.fo/XH29e#selection-594.312-594.314)However I don’t see what I did to him to deserve the treatment he gave me.
This is going to be word against word, but at that point I bailed out :
Around september 2020, krog approached me to produce a large batch of paper wallets, several hundreds.
I told him that I don’t want to stick security holograms on such a large quantity, so he needs to fly to me so he can stick them, but instead he asked me to ship the paper wallets to him, private key exposed, “with a premium courier”.
I don’t think krog realizes the implactions of doing so.
(does anyone remember the user gravitate ?
)There are ALWAYS two sides to every story. but here is mine.
This was the last straw for me.
While I was dealing with depression for around a year, this user did not hesitate to rip off my innovation.
(Yeah, I sent him a test unit of my concept when i made it, so he can be part of the tests among other forum users, for this new innovation. What was I thinking LOL)
I’ve never been “done” by a “friend” in such a way.
Innovative for sure ! We never stop learning in life.
He told me minerjones and anonymousminer were bullies, I just realize now that in fact he was talking about himself.
Damn I if could get into Bezos’ dick shuttle, I’d use that to get there even faster.
I believe that krog is dangerous as he puts other’s people funds at risk, demonstrating he has no clue about what he’s dealing with.
(both regarding his lack of technical knowledge around his project and his nonchalance towards DT / taking steps so his alt account created “FOR UNSECURE CONNECTIONS” is DT2
)Heck I’d even have more trust into Ballet wallets.
I do not understand what I have I done to deserve such treatment from this user.
After seeing several demonstrations from this user, it is quite obvious that not only would not trust them, I also tend to seek to prevent other users from possibly losing their BTC.
I mean, he is more than trustworthy when it comes to buying or selling an item, or even escrowing funds for other users, but this is not what my point is about.
Thank you everyone.