Two elderly gentlemen are sitting on a park bench in Moscow talking, suddenly one says: "You know, President Putin says that the special military operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and NATO. - Oh, how's it going? "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals, 530 tanks, 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280 howitzers, 82 rocket artilery, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124 helicopters and 50 drones," he said. Oh, wow! And NATO? - They haven't showed up yet.