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Re: Announcing Wasabi Wallet 2.0
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n0nce
on 17/04/2022, 10:45:14 UTC
⭐ Merited by o_e_l_e_o (4) ,Pmalek (2) ,BlackHatCoiner (2) ,dkbit98 (1) ,aysg76 (1) ,DdmrDdmr (1)
Would you say it's "OK" for them to use some mixer that could taint their coins if all they want is mere privacy?
Well, first of all, the anonymity set of 'all UTXOs' is much larger than 'only the clean ones', so by definition, not caring about taint gives you more privacy.

What would you say to them if they're coins are withheld by an exchange because of taint?
You just told me your friends care about privacy, but then you are telling me they use a centralized exchange. This doesn't add up. If they care about privacy, they are using a decentralized exchange which doesn't care about some arbitrary party's definition of taint.

What would you say to them if they're coins are withheld by an exchange because of taint?
I would reiterate that they shouldn't be using services which will confiscate their coins.
Exactly. I don't know why he keeps asking; I told him repeatedly as well, that the solution to 'taint problems' is to simply avoid services that can out of the blue say 'oh these coins are tainted, we froze them'. Like, this is horrifying. What if I win a contest like Bitcointalk 2021 or someone donates me money, I need cash and send it to an exchange, only to find out they are allegedly 'tainted' and got frozen? This is not an argument against mixing, it's an argument against centralized exchanges.

How far does this taint usually go when it comes to centralized exchanges?
Anybody's guess. Every exchange has their own set of secret algorithms that decide what is tainted and what isn't. It is completely arbitrary. Pretty much every bitcoin in active circulation could be tainted if you look back far enough.
I believe there was a report about something like 99% of $500 bills having measurable traces of cocaine on them or something like that.. Grin Similar story here, probably. Imagine a store would start scanning every bill and if there's a sign of cocaine on it, not only refuses to accept the bill, but confiscates it. People would outrage!
But Bitcoin investors who have understood nothing about the technology and core principles, just accept such a procedure and get themselves a cash-scanning machine to make sure their paper bills have no such traces. Insanity! Cheesy

What I consolidate 49 clean inputs with 1 tainted input, and spit out 50 new outputs. Are all of them tainted? Perhaps they are all 2% tainted? What if my tainted UTXO moves 5 times? 100 times? 10,000 times? Is it still tainted? What if Coinbase accept a coin which Binance thinks is tainted and sweeps it in to their hot wallet. Does that make every withdrawal from Coinbase tainted? Completely arbitrary and completely meaningless.
Exactly. I want people to understand that actually, there is no taint. It's an arbitrary tag that anyone can put on anything, yet in the blockchain world they take any random company's word as the universal truth and just accept their subjective opinions. This is so bizarre since Bitcoin is so based on freedom and independence.