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Board Scam Accusations
Merits 18 from 7 users
Re: SCAM EXCHANGE: Openchange (Openchange.cash)
by
stompix
on 01/07/2022, 14:44:57 UTC
⭐ Merited by LoyceV (6) ,BlackHatCoiner (4) ,o_e_l_e_o (4) ,DireWolfM14 (1) ,n0nce (1) ,ETFbitcoin (1) ,DdmrDdmr (1)
Common man you are getting paid by them. You wearing the signature of Chipmixer.  It's illegal buddy.
"Hey everybody I use Chipmixer " it's easy to say that why hiding behind a username and a keyboard.
If you are right go ahead show your KYC and tell the people like a centralized exchange you used a mixing service. 
I bet you my cent you won't. 
Talk easy. But it's ok what will you say about a service that pays you .

Let's clear some things up.
First, this is one of my old posts:

That being said, I made once stupid mistake of sending coins mixed through CM directly to Bitstamp the mother and father of all KYC, nothing has happened yet, deposit and SEPA without a hiccup, so probably it's not yet such a big deal. Exchanges will try to delay any such actions as long as they can, they are losing money and volume, they might want to obey the law but not to the point when it strat costing them money.

So, I did send (by mistake) funds from a freshly mixed address directly to Bitstamp, coins that were just claimed, I didn't have a single problem to date with them, I'm full KYC (a thing I regret doing it also) but Bitstamp, probably the worse exchange when it comes to controlling everything has had no problem with it.

Second:
No exchange can confiscate your funds legally without a court order, they can freeze your account for a period but doing so because you have failed KYC would require them to inform the authorities where they operate about this transaction immediately. There is no such thing as these funds look stolen then we freeze it and we unfreeze it the moment you send us a pic of an id, this is illegal on so many levels it doesn't even need to be discussed.

The funds have an AML score of 94.89999999999999 according to my system. It is clearly 100% money laundering and they had all the right to take your funds if they have any kind of AML policy.

Please do quote any law from any country, territory, or fantasy world on this planetthat says something like this , since FATF says something different

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Confiscation or forfeiture takes place through a judicial or administrative procedure that transfers the ownership of specified funds or other assets to be transferred to the State. In this case, the person(s) or entity(ies) that held an interest in the specified funds or other assets at the time of the confiscation or forfeiture loses all rights, in principle, to the confiscated or forfeited funds or other assets. Confiscation or forfeiture orders are usually linked to a criminal conviction or a court decision whereby the confiscated or forfeited property is determined to have been derived from or intended for use in a violation of the law.

There's nothing much you could do since their ToS explicitly stated that. But i found out such ToS didn't exist last year, https://web.archive.org/web/20210613120712/https://openchange.cash/t%D0%B5rms_of_service/.

ToS terms don't grant you power beyond the law, nor can they shield you from complaints or lawsuits.
Of course, this is a no-name exchange with no location and no physical address but normally such ToS wound't stand a chance in any civil or criminal case.